Windows Phone 7 Series - Page 9

chainbolt · 20th March 2010, 4:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bakasan

This is a very serious question though and I'm geniuinely interested in hearing a legitimate well thought out response.

The problem is, as almost everybody has told you, that at this moment such "legitimate well thought out response" is not possible about WP7. The best you could get are "learned" speculations about more or less hypothetical questions. I will let you know my "legitimate well thought out response" after I have tested a functioning beta of WP7 - at the earliest.

bakasan · 20th March 2010, 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chainbolt

The problem is, as almost everybody has told you, that at this moment such "legitimate well thought out response" is not possible about WP7. The best you could get are "learned" speculations about more or less hypothetical questions. I will let you know my "legitimate well thought out response" after I have tested a functioning beta of WP7 - at the earliest.

That's weak :LOL.. What is the point of creating the thread. It should be locked until it's release if that is the game everyone wants to play to hide behind to avoid commenting on what looks to be a dud.

No one is going to think less of you should the facts change upon release slightly.. One can only comment on the information currently available.

chainbolt · 20th March 2010, 5:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bakasan

That's weak :LOL.. What is the point of creating the thread.

As per the OP, informing that WP7 has been announced, possible launch time, compatibility with existing or upcoming phones, pictures of the GUI, and discussing features it might or might not have. It's not so much a matter what you discuss, but how you do it:

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1) One guy questioned demo'ing the product says he doesn't know.
2) One guy higher up the chain says not at all "for good reasons".
3) Another guy says it will be released later but not "too long after"

Anyone else sensing BS.. There is no way there could be so many varying versions of whether copy&paste will be available soon if infact it was nearly ready and on the roadmap of features but just missing out on the release schedule due to a small delay. I'll believe it when I see it.

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It wouldn't surprise me if apart fomr the missing features we probably go through many months of instabilitiy with the new OS as well as bugs are not only ironed out in the OS but also in the SDK.

You speculate in a rather "excited" and badmouthing way about something that you don't know anything about. And by your own quote, even MS seems not to know yet how the final version will look like.

raGneG · 21st March 2010, 1:03 AM

Pretty sure discussing features or the lack of is fine. But ranting endlessly with conviction that would only be justified if the phone was actually out is silly.

Why is copy paste even a big issue? People get so over zealous about things. I guess every time Apple finally do something it's an atrocity that information about a phone OS that isn't due out for months may not have copy and paste. For this single issue, how about we give MS the same two years we gave Apple and move on? Sounds good, one issue solved.

rage · 21st March 2010, 2:54 PM

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Originally Posted by raGneG

Pretty sure discussing features or the lack of is fine. But ranting endlessly with conviction that would only be justified if the phone was actually out is silly.

Why is copy paste even a big issue? People get so over zealous about things. I guess every time Apple finally do something it's an atrocity that information about a phone OS that isn't due out for months may not have copy and paste. For this single issue, how about we give MS the same two years we gave Apple and move on? Sounds good, one issue solved.

I think that perhaps Microsoft should have learned Apple's lesson in this regard. Especially since they have Office mobile and have had the feature in the past. I expect it'll appear sooner or later though.

tht · 21st March 2010, 4:02 PM

If MS is to stand a chance at winning over customers, they're going to have to offer a product that at least matches Apples and/or does it better. Not offering cut and paste when an already released product has it means it'll always play catch-up just like the zune.

I'm talking about an enhanced user experience that makes it even more user friendly than apple. For instance, they could make app switching more seamless. With the ipod, you've got to go to home, then find your app in order to switch to it. Sure, there's third party software like kirikae that does it but if MS implement it internally, it'll sway those users who don't jailbreak or have the time to do it.

When I'm browsing the web on my ipod, it's annoying whenever I think I've tapped a link only to find out I tapped another one that I didn't want that was close by. I could zoom in but sometimes I have to zoom in a lot to click the right link. This could be easily solved by bringing up a small window with all the links that were close to where you tapped and letting you decide which one to go to.

Add more user input gestures. Apples screen is apparently multi-touch so why are we limited to only 1 finger actions? For instance, it should be possible whilst inside the mp3 player to adjust the volume with a 2 finger swipe up or down or in circles. A 3 finger tap could mean pause so you don't have to locate the button for pause. You could get rid of buttons altogether if you create enough gestures, that way, the whole screen is just one giant multipurpose button.

Because the screen is already tiny, the user interface needs to be minimalist or even hidden. I think MS have it totally wrong with the gigantic sized fonts that show the menu items. It takes up 1/5 of the screen when it could be better used to show more items per page. What happens when you've got a many items you need to scroll through? You'll have to scroll even more.

MS have a taken the wrong approach which is why I think Android has more chance of dethroning Apple. The only way I can see MS having an edge over the others is if they have a killer app store that's not as uptight and restrictive as Apple and allows devs to bring competing apps to the table, like a firefox browser or a winamp player.

chainbolt · 21st March 2010, 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tht

If MS is to stand a chance at winning over customers, they're going to have to offer a product that at least matches Apples and/or does it better. Not offering cut and paste when an already released product has it means it'll always play catch-up just like the zune.

I never missed it. It's for phones after all. And you can always excel with new features.

raGneG · 21st March 2010, 6:54 PM

It's like the ATI/Nvidia argument. Both cards have their pluses and bonuses. GPU's aren't solely about FPS anymore and smartphones aren't about copy paste.

DEMONDOCTOR · 21st March 2010, 8:48 PM

cbf catching up on the last few pages since i last checked this thread and i don't want to be a cliched hater....
BUT... i just used cut & paste on my HD2 about 30s ago and it reminded me of the recent "developments" re WP7S... I use it really quite frequently in 6.5.x.... used it a lot in 6.1 on the xperia too...
It's REALLY useful for my pattern of usage... nuff said

power · 21st March 2010, 11:51 PM

i do actual work on one of my winmo's and I'll miss no copy paste if this is true

bl4ck32 · 22nd March 2010, 1:15 AM

Who is to say that cut and paste will be used in the same way? Its a clean break from old, so doing things may be entirely different to the way you do things now....

Any speculation of what you do now and how it will be done on WM7 is pointless...

power · 22nd March 2010, 1:19 AM

it is fairly pointless and I can't really see that many of the things speculated in this thread can be true.

Tapek · 22nd March 2010, 7:26 AM

All this argument is null and void even if the OS does or does not come with a feature you claim you require so desperately at peril of the world exploding.

The xda-developers community will not only implement everything including the kitchen sink into their custom roms, but will more than likely hack the GUI to work in their current 6.5 roms.

If you claim you are a power user, but are too cowardly to put on your own firmware for scare of voiding your warranty (which is what most of us who came here originally did to our CPUs while OVERCLOCKING) either use Android, Maemo or some random phone OS you threw together yourself after drinking too much coffee and programming for a few days.

No reason to rant and rave like a spoiled child that Microsoft is copying Apple yet again, if anything history has shown that MS is extremely capable of taking Apple's innovation and making it a far more enjoyable experience.

Worst case scenario we will have an OS that is equivalent or superior to Iphone OS but will have the choice of putting it on any damn phone we want and wont be locked into using the same outdated sack of shit hoping to god an update comes out.

Oppressa · 22nd March 2010, 7:50 AM

Moving on people, 2 bits of info from engadget:

Emulating WM7S on your Windows 7 desktop (for developers initially only allowing Internet Explorer to run but more apps have been opened up thanks to someone named Dan Ardelean). Video and instructions in the link. I hope this means lots of apps will be made for when the phones are actually made public:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/20/t...est-drive-vid/
Jump to 7:27 in the video for info on the task manager and chat about multi-tasking

Here is the direct link to "Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone CTP" for ya seeing as the link to MS in the above article didn't have the required app:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

More on cut/copy/paste
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/m...ly-offer-copy/

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For example, people often want to take an address and view it on a map, highlight a term in the browser and do a search or copy a phone number to make a call. Instead of the user manually doing a copy and paste in these scenarios, we recognize those situations automatically and make them happen with just one touch. In our early testing people have been pleased with this approach, but we're always listening to feedback and will continue to improve our feature set over time based on what we hear.

rage · 22nd March 2010, 4:53 PM

I really hope they simplify the IE icon down to the style of the rest of the icons... the blue/yellow icon amongst the white lineart outlook icon, etc looks terrible.

21st March 2010, 1:03 AM	#124
raGneG Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Rozelle, 2039 Posts: 7,396	Pretty sure discussing features or the lack of is fine. But ranting endlessly with conviction that would only be justified if the phone was actually out is silly. Why is copy paste even a big issue? People get so over zealous about things. I guess every time Apple finally do something it's an atrocity that information about a phone OS that isn't due out for months may not have copy and paste. For this single issue, how about we give MS the same two years we gave Apple and move on? Sounds good, one issue solved. __________________ OCAU NIGHT OWL #9 - OCAU METAL CLUB #9 - Last.FM Diablo 3 OCAU Play List

21st March 2010, 6:54 PM	#128
raGneG Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Rozelle, 2039 Posts: 7,396	It's like the ATI/Nvidia argument. Both cards have their pluses and bonuses. GPU's aren't solely about FPS anymore and smartphones aren't about copy paste. __________________ OCAU NIGHT OWL #9 - OCAU METAL CLUB #9 - Last.FM Diablo 3 OCAU Play List

21st March 2010, 8:48 PM	#129
DEMONDOCTOR Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 375	cbf catching up on the last few pages since i last checked this thread and i don't want to be a cliched hater.... BUT... i just used cut & paste on my HD2 about 30s ago and it reminded me of the recent "developments" re WP7S... I use it really quite frequently in 6.5.x.... used it a lot in 6.1 on the xperia too... It's REALLY useful for my pattern of usage... nuff said __________________

21st March 2010, 11:51 PM	#130
power Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: brisbane Posts: 27,207	i do actual work on one of my winmo's and I'll miss no copy paste if this is true __________________ this is who we are.

22nd March 2010, 1:15 AM	#131
bl4ck32 Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: adlaide Posts: 4,345	Who is to say that cut and paste will be used in the same way? Its a clean break from old, so doing things may be entirely different to the way you do things now.... Any speculation of what you do now and how it will be done on WM7 is pointless... __________________ C:\ C:\dos C:\dos\run run\dos\run

21st March 2010, 4:02 PM	#126
tht Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 327	If MS is to stand a chance at winning over customers, they're going to have to offer a product that at least matches Apples and/or does it better. Not offering cut and paste when an already released product has it means it'll always play catch-up just like the zune. I'm talking about an enhanced user experience that makes it even more user friendly than apple. For instance, they could make app switching more seamless. With the ipod, you've got to go to home, then find your app in order to switch to it. Sure, there's third party software like kirikae that does it but if MS implement it internally, it'll sway those users who don't jailbreak or have the time to do it. When I'm browsing the web on my ipod, it's annoying whenever I think I've tapped a link only to find out I tapped another one that I didn't want that was close by. I could zoom in but sometimes I have to zoom in a lot to click the right link. This could be easily solved by bringing up a small window with all the links that were close to where you tapped and letting you decide which one to go to. Add more user input gestures. Apples screen is apparently multi-touch so why are we limited to only 1 finger actions? For instance, it should be possible whilst inside the mp3 player to adjust the volume with a 2 finger swipe up or down or in circles. A 3 finger tap could mean pause so you don't have to locate the button for pause. You could get rid of buttons altogether if you create enough gestures, that way, the whole screen is just one giant multipurpose button. Because the screen is already tiny, the user interface needs to be minimalist or even hidden. I think MS have it totally wrong with the gigantic sized fonts that show the menu items. It takes up 1/5 of the screen when it could be better used to show more items per page. What happens when you've got a many items you need to scroll through? You'll have to scroll even more. MS have a taken the wrong approach which is why I think Android has more chance of dethroning Apple. The only way I can see MS having an edge over the others is if they have a killer app store that's not as uptight and restrictive as Apple and allows devs to bring competing apps to the table, like a firefox browser or a winamp player.

22nd March 2010, 1:19 AM	#132
power Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: brisbane Posts: 27,207	it is fairly pointless and I can't really see that many of the things speculated in this thread can be true. __________________ this is who we are.

22nd March 2010, 7:26 AM	#133
Tapek Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 3,553	All this argument is null and void even if the OS does or does not come with a feature you claim you require so desperately at peril of the world exploding. The xda-developers community will not only implement everything including the kitchen sink into their custom roms, but will more than likely hack the GUI to work in their current 6.5 roms. If you claim you are a power user, but are too cowardly to put on your own firmware for scare of voiding your warranty (which is what most of us who came here originally did to our CPUs while OVERCLOCKING) either use Android, Maemo or some random phone OS you threw together yourself after drinking too much coffee and programming for a few days. No reason to rant and rave like a spoiled child that Microsoft is copying Apple yet again, if anything history has shown that MS is extremely capable of taking Apple's innovation and making it a far more enjoyable experience. Worst case scenario we will have an OS that is equivalent or superior to Iphone OS but will have the choice of putting it on any damn phone we want and wont be locked into using the same outdated sack of shit hoping to god an update comes out. __________________ OCAU Night Owl #50 Nintendo DS Owners Club #25 Apple Mac Owners Club Member #160 13" Macbook Unibody

22nd March 2010, 4:53 PM	#135
rage Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canberra Posts: 1,982	I really hope they simplify the IE icon down to the style of the rest of the icons... the blue/yellow icon amongst the white lineart outlook icon, etc looks terrible. __________________ Shoot all the bluejays you want, if you can hit 'em, but remember it's a sin to kill a mockingbird.