OCAU Guitar Players Club 3 - Page 9

Xplora · 24th June 2010, 7:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ndt

Shane over on Bmusic has a big write up on AU vs US prices that might help.

http://www.guitarsatbmusic.com.au/fo...php?f=16&t=483

Awesome article. READ THIS.

Edstructicon · 24th June 2010, 7:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Xplora

Awesome article. READ THIS.

so basically it all comes down to having a shop that you can take it back to if something goes wrong.

If you have a look at wikipedia you'll see that while the federal wage might be $4/hr the states will mostly have minimum wages above $7.

So basically you've got shipping and taxes left to justify an almost 100% markup, and even with guitars that go over the $1000 mark, you still get away with it cheaper.

It's a global market now, and unfortunately for the businesses they are having to compete with other countries. That's not the first article I've seen from a retailer justifying their higher prices, and at the end of the day the consumer will base their decision on price (especially when looking at the cheaper end of the scale).

The main reason I bought my last guitar from Australia? The price was competitive with the US - cheaper in fact.

sandwichamwin · 24th June 2010, 8:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigandY

no probs

gents details of the new Ibz gear that was at summer NAMM are up: http://www.ibanez.com/new?productLine=eg

http://www.ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/model-RG1420F in red flame burst fapfapfap

Back to the edge pro bridges? Will all the models change back?

BigandY · 25th June 2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sandwichamwin

Back to the edge pro bridges? Will all the models change back?

sigh

good question. hadn't noticed that. i was under the impression that the edge pro had been dropped altogether and we were phasing the edge back in which started this year (2010) with some of the JS's and JEM's

shredder · 25th June 2010, 10:33 AM

Go the mighty Edge!

(and Lo Pro Edge)

sandwichamwin · 25th June 2010, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shredder

Go the mighty Edge!

(and Lo Pro Edge)

Amen!

break · 25th June 2010, 12:14 PM

Blackout's Vs EMG's - Discuss

To be specific, I've decided to go down the active path... but I'm torn between the two after playing them both at length, so was after some input from you all (partly because the demo guitars used both had rusty old strings).

I'm in a position where I like the sound of the Blackout distorted tone more, but the EMG clean tone more.... so I just can't figure out which way to go. I've spent a shit-ton of time on youtube listening to recorded clips of the two to try and make my mind up.

Note, I've only played both with 9v... so any insight into how an 18v mod changes the tone would be handy too.

So yeah, pro's/con's for both. If you use one of them, why did you choose that model... why didn't you choose the others? etc

Edit: Found this page doing a great comparison between the two in 9v and 18v in the bridge position, but alas they don't do clean comparison. To me, the EMG's sound better in this... http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/e...content-d.html

dasbok · 25th June 2010, 1:17 PM

get both? EMG in the neck, Blackout in the bridge?

Xplora · 25th June 2010, 3:46 PM

They are different sounds. Totally different character. The Blackout sounds a lot more "mid smooth", interestingly enough the Slipknot EMTY Blackout has a lot more trebles, possibly to get the EMG81 sound back

I personally prefer the organic sound to the passives, suits my hands a lot more, but I think the proof is in the pudding; you only get Metallica/Slayer cleans from the EMGs, and while I was raised musically on that tone and LOVE IT, it's not a very versatile sound.

Another interesting point is that EMG has reverse engineered the Blackout with the 81-X, 85-X etc. The "dynamic range" etc etc that they were talking about with the 81-X was EXACTLY the same things they were talking about the Blackout. The stats are very similar. Same "more organic sound" blah blah...

I'd DEFINITELY get the Blackouts, if only because the sound is "new". New breed of tone for a new breed of music. EMG81 is an erection in a pickup, but it's 20 years old.

break · 25th June 2010, 4:43 PM

Cheers for that Xplora, much appreciated

I popped into another music store this afternoon and compared the two again on similar guitars (a pair of schecters) with near new strings.

Definitely prefered the 81/85 sound over the Blackouts both on clean and with distortion. Maybe it's my inexperience, maybe it's that I play mostly Iron Maiden/Metallica etc..... but to me they were the sound I was looking for. I definitely see what you mean about a more organic sound on the Blackouts, it really did seem like it had more range.... but the more I weighed it up the sound I was dreaming of was 'the Metallica sound' and that pretty much answered my own question at the end of the day.

So.... I went home, scoped out a set of EMG's at the right price and ordered them

Xplora · 25th June 2010, 6:05 PM

As long as you're happy. Mahogany combined with an EMG 81 is a thing to behold.

DJ Fusion · 28th June 2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by break

So.... I went home, scoped out a set of EMG's at the right price and ordered them

Nice one man. I use the 81/60 combo in my S series. I love the 60 at the neck, it's super-creamy.

spootmonkey · 28th June 2010, 11:21 AM

I don't think I'll ever understand why you'd want that smooth/creamy/bland sound coming out of your guitar.

BigandY · 28th June 2010, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by spootmonkey

I don't think I'll ever understand why you'd want that smooth/creamy/bland sound coming out of your guitar.

because it suits some styles? not everyone is a metalhead

spootmonkey · 28th June 2010, 11:35 AM

It's probably most abused in metal.

25th June 2010, 10:33 AM	#125
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25th June 2010, 12:14 PM	#127
break Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,128	Blackout's Vs EMG's - Discuss To be specific, I've decided to go down the active path... but I'm torn between the two after playing them both at length, so was after some input from you all (partly because the demo guitars used both had rusty old strings). I'm in a position where I like the sound of the Blackout distorted tone more, but the EMG clean tone more.... so I just can't figure out which way to go. I've spent a shit-ton of time on youtube listening to recorded clips of the two to try and make my mind up. Note, I've only played both with 9v... so any insight into how an 18v mod changes the tone would be handy too. So yeah, pro's/con's for both. If you use one of them, why did you choose that model... why didn't you choose the others? etc Edit: Found this page doing a great comparison between the two in 9v and 18v in the bridge position, but alas they don't do clean comparison. To me, the EMG's sound better in this... http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/e...content-d.html __________________ Break Photography : www.breakphoto.org 59 Successful trades and counting Last edited by break; 25th June 2010 at 12:52 PM.

25th June 2010, 3:46 PM	#129
Xplora Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 7,015	They are different sounds. Totally different character. The Blackout sounds a lot more "mid smooth", interestingly enough the Slipknot EMTY Blackout has a lot more trebles, possibly to get the EMG81 sound back I personally prefer the organic sound to the passives, suits my hands a lot more, but I think the proof is in the pudding; you only get Metallica/Slayer cleans from the EMGs, and while I was raised musically on that tone and LOVE IT, it's not a very versatile sound. Another interesting point is that EMG has reverse engineered the Blackout with the 81-X, 85-X etc. The "dynamic range" etc etc that they were talking about with the 81-X was EXACTLY the same things they were talking about the Blackout. The stats are very similar. Same "more organic sound" blah blah... I'd DEFINITELY get the Blackouts, if only because the sound is "new". New breed of tone for a new breed of music. EMG81 is an erection in a pickup, but it's 20 years old. __________________ Copyright Xplora, 2010. Every. Single. Government. Intervention. Has. Negatives.

25th June 2010, 4:43 PM	#130
break Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,128	Cheers for that Xplora, much appreciated I popped into another music store this afternoon and compared the two again on similar guitars (a pair of schecters) with near new strings. Definitely prefered the 81/85 sound over the Blackouts both on clean and with distortion. Maybe it's my inexperience, maybe it's that I play mostly Iron Maiden/Metallica etc..... but to me they were the sound I was looking for. I definitely see what you mean about a more organic sound on the Blackouts, it really did seem like it had more range.... but the more I weighed it up the sound I was dreaming of was 'the Metallica sound' and that pretty much answered my own question at the end of the day. So.... I went home, scoped out a set of EMG's at the right price and ordered them __________________ Break Photography : www.breakphoto.org 59 Successful trades and counting

25th June 2010, 6:05 PM	#131
Xplora Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 7,015	As long as you're happy. Mahogany combined with an EMG 81 is a thing to behold. __________________ Copyright Xplora, 2010. Every. Single. Government. Intervention. Has. Negatives.

25th June 2010, 1:17 PM	#128
dasbok Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 225	get both? EMG in the neck, Blackout in the bridge?

28th June 2010, 11:21 AM	#133
spootmonkey Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: DPR Brunswick Posts: 7,721	I don't think I'll ever understand why you'd want that smooth/creamy/bland sound coming out of your guitar. __________________ "[T]here’s a way things are, it coincides with what I was brought up to believe, and the extraordinary coincidence of such is never reflected upon[.]"

28th June 2010, 11:35 AM	#135
spootmonkey Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: DPR Brunswick Posts: 7,721	It's probably most abused in metal. __________________ "[T]here’s a way things are, it coincides with what I was brought up to believe, and the extraordinary coincidence of such is never reflected upon[.]"