1.4Ghz T-bird to 2Ghz T-bird

phantomguy · 16th August 2001, 2:16 AM

I have a 1.4Ghz T-bird and I want to get it to 2Ghz or more stable. I'm going to use a peltier/water cooler combo for this one, but does anyone have any ideas on what watt peltier to use?

THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS!

I know have enough to go on, although I may just sit on my arse and wait for AMD to create a "safer" 2Ghz chip!

Crash Dummy · 16th August 2001, 2:38 AM

I hate to say it but don't bother with a pelt with that CPU. With the kind of heat it'll be producing your gonna need one hell of a pelt to get it anywhere. We are talking in the ball park of at least 300 watts. Then add up how much heat you gotta carry away and you'll prolly find you've got a heatload somewhere around 500 watts. Air cooled pelts won't cut it (duh

) and watercooling could posibly do the job if you had a custom waterblock to suit, but from memory there aren't any blocks around that really like anything over 200 watts without getting the shits. And should you find a waterblock / pelt / powersupply for the pelt you'll prolly need a car radiator to cool it all.

Sorry to let ya down there. Not to mention it'd cost a bloody lot, somewhere around $700 - $800 total for parts *rough guess*. Can you guess what i'm gonna say ? Ask Jeremy from www.silverprop.com about the vaporchill case. I'm not even sure it it'd be real good for the job or not. I'm pretty sure with these CPU's the only people that are hitting 2Ghz + are the ones using liquid nitrogen. 1.8ghz is very posible with a compitend straght water cooled system. Another factor is your powersupply for the system itself, many people's system's are topping out at 1.5ghz because their powersupplys can't keep up and you'll prolly need to test a few mobo's to find which one can FSB overclock well so you can get up to your intended speeds.

But trust me on one thing. If there's a will there's a way.

*edit*
If you wanna see some extreme cooling check out www.extremecooling.org

Last time i checked he had a Athlon at some crazy speed @ 2.5v yes. 2.5v

watercooled. I'm not sure if he's back into pelts or not.

Memphis · 16th August 2001, 8:19 AM

The other thing is to make sure you have good enough RAM. Just noticed that Kingmax have a new flavour! PC166 @ CAS3.

What is the heat output of the 1.4GHz TBird? I presume its around 70W or so??? Its not totally undoable, just needs careful planning and a touch of luck!

First off the money (like Crash Dummy said) is going to be $700-$800. Jeremy from Silverprop is looking to get some 230W peltiers. If these were operated at a lower than rated voltage, you will still get a huge amount of heat removal, but less heat generated by the peltier itself.

Get a bloody good radiator, water block etc.

I would personally not set such a high task for myself. With a huge jump like 600MHz, there is a possibility that you will not make it - thereby causing youself a bit of angst! Try just getting great cooling gear and seeing how far you can get it. Tweak all your settings for a further increase. Then see what you get! No chance of disappointment then.

Lastly, look at a peltier chiller block combo. These may or may not give you a huge difference but it may get a further increase in speed. Then again it may not. But hey, you will have had fun!

Go the chiller block option if you don't mind having a 1000W computer

.

Cheers and good luck.

Crash Dummy · 16th August 2001, 3:28 PM

Memphis, shit is prolly gonna scare you shitless, but the heat output of a Athlon (tbird) @ 2ghz 2.0v (volt mod will almost certanly required) it's gonna be pushing in excess of 160watts. I'm not shitting.

Hell, my Duron 800 @ 1050 2.05v produces about 67 to 75 watts.

Fat Albert · 16th August 2001, 5:31 PM

d00d j00 gunna need a pelt hocked up to a Nuke Reactor

doolz · 16th August 2001, 5:32 PM

I haven't seen any people get their tbirds up to 2ghz even with a vapochill. The highest I've heard of is 1.9. The problem people have with running a tbird so high is stable voltage on the 5V rail, and consistent Vcore under load.

You could mod the vapochill to be more powerful and it might do the job, but the power problem may be harder to find a solution to.

If it's your life's ambition to get to 2ghz now, then kryotech might be the only practical solution for you (but at double the cost of a vapochill).

phantomguy · 16th August 2001, 5:40 PM

THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS!

I know have enough to go on, although I may just sit on my arse and wait for AMD to create a "safer" 2Ghz chip!

Rampage101 · 16th August 2001, 5:56 PM

I realise you basically have all the info you want but...
On HardOCP forums there was a guy with a t-bird 1.333 at 2ghz just plain watercooled NO JOKE, all his pics seem ligit, can member where in the forums, but it all seemed real. 2ghz!!!!

Crash Dummy · 17th August 2001, 6:59 AM

C'mon, someone challenge me. gimmie some money and a 386 and i'll get it to 200ghz

with supa dupa mega cooled pelters cooled by liqud nitrogen

Damn, i wish i could do something like that though, have a set budget *within reason* and build a system that can hit 2ghz stabily. (and isn't a P4)

Rampage101 · 17th August 2001, 11:32 AM

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....highlight=2ghz

thats the link in the HardOCP forums for the 2.086ghz athlon 1.33

doolz · 17th August 2001, 1:33 PM

Here's a link for improving the stability of the 5v rail.

http://www.hardware-unlimited.com/ar...od/index.shtml

Crash Dummy · 18th August 2001, 7:36 AM

I hate to say it but i've lost a little faith in Enermax after last night. Apart from reading that whole 16 pages about the 2gig Athlon it also says the voltage sags baddly. The other thing is while i was working on my PC tonight mucking with my new 120mm's i'd restarted the computer and it was running fine, Then i noticed one of the 12v+ wires had come out of the molex connector and was nearly brushing against the case

. Soon as i saw that i hit the power button then had a closer look. Who ever was on wire crimping dutys must have been feeling lazy, every single one of the connectors wasn't together properly. It was posible to break the connection with ease, I said stuff this for a joke and fixed the problem REAL good. Using a long pin i pushed the tabs that old the gold connectors inside the molex plug and pulled them out then soldered the wires on on ALL the plugs. Needless to say it took a long time

but i got it done. The other thing i hear about enermax's is that the actual ATX mobo cable is way too long and aparently makes the voltage sags worse, (explains 4.2v or whatever for that guy at Hardocp). If you've got a Enermax you'll know what i mean when i say the ATX cable is bloody long. I think it's supost to be something like 60 - 80cm long. The good thing is resistence is still pretty good due to the fat wires. The best mod i think you can do to a enermax is prolly shortening the ATX cable itself for less resistence.

Personally i'd avoid the 5v mod at all costs. It doesn't really help that much at all and generally causes more problems than it fixes, not to mention it WILL kill the mosfets. If you need a bump in your 5v full load voltage i think you need to shorten the cable and then if it isn't high enough still adjusting the trim pots insdie the PSU to bumb the 5v rail up a little. 5.1 to 5.2v is definetly enough, Any higher and you really risk causing problems with other things.

A little note about the 5v mod. i think someone mentioned that when you do the actual mod you are actually giving the mobo more unregulated power or something, (one persons say) the other said that when you do the mod you are affectively running the mosfets at 100% duty instead of the standard 30%. Can anyone quote me on this ?

Crash Dummy · 18th August 2001, 7:55 AM

Off topic i know but here's something i just thought i'd mention partically on the subject.

My Duron 800 is currently running at 999Mhz (c'mon baby 1000 more cycles) @ 2.03v (i'm dropping the voltage back to 1.9v ASAP) on a Abit KT7 RAID (volt modded) being run off a Enermax 430watt PSU

Currently my 5v rail is sagging baddly under full load.

(Full Load)
vcore = 2.03v (set to 1.85v in bios. Voltmod affected)
+3.3v = 3.52v (when set to 3.3v in bios sags at 3.2v)
+5.0v = 4.61v - 4.66 (over 1 minute observation)
+12v = 11.47v (rock solid)

(F@H disabled / near idle)
vcore = 2.04v
+3.3v = 3.52v (oh well, it hasn't moved at least)
+5.0v = 4.81v
+12v = 11.35 (strangely it dropped)

Crash Dummy · 18th August 2001, 8:06 AM

Don't ya hate it when ya remember / forget to add stuff that you ment to mention in the first place.

Anyways, I thought i'd mention that that 2Ghz Athlon was no where near stable. It's mentioned that it's max stable speed is around 1.5ghz. Suspected problem is the Asus A7V133 mosfets. He recorded temps of 70 - 80.C

. In my books that's fooking scary. Last time i felt mine they were just warm.

I'd say that the biggest problem is prolly the board has hit it's limit and can't supply anymore current so it ends up heating up and dropping it's effientcy greatly (sorry 8am spelling).

billyboy · 22nd August 2001, 10:59 AM

theres another trick you can do you improve your 5 volt problem. go to the cause of the problem, the power supply. some power supply have small trimmers inside them and you can increase the 5 volt line. I did to my aopen, at 4.92 at the moment. I'm slowy pushingit up until i get it stable at 5.00v

heres the link 5 volt mod

16th August 2001, 2:16 AM	#1
phantomguy Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Marquette, MI Posts: 26	1.4Ghz T-bird to 2Ghz T-bird I have a 1.4Ghz T-bird and I want to get it to 2Ghz or more stable. I'm going to use a peltier/water cooler combo for this one, but does anyone have any ideas on what watt peltier to use? THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS! I know have enough to go on, although I may just sit on my arse and wait for AMD to create a "safer" 2Ghz chip! __________________ \\_// Live long and Prosper Last edited by phantomguy; 16th August 2001 at 5:40 PM.

16th August 2001, 2:38 AM	#2
Crash Dummy Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Newcastle, NSW Posts: 1,719	I hate to say it but don't bother with a pelt with that CPU. With the kind of heat it'll be producing your gonna need one hell of a pelt to get it anywhere. We are talking in the ball park of at least 300 watts. Then add up how much heat you gotta carry away and you'll prolly find you've got a heatload somewhere around 500 watts. Air cooled pelts won't cut it (duh ) and watercooling could posibly do the job if you had a custom waterblock to suit, but from memory there aren't any blocks around that really like anything over 200 watts without getting the shits. And should you find a waterblock / pelt / powersupply for the pelt you'll prolly need a car radiator to cool it all. Sorry to let ya down there. Not to mention it'd cost a bloody lot, somewhere around $700 - $800 total for parts rough guess. Can you guess what i'm gonna say ? Ask Jeremy from www.silverprop.com about the vaporchill case. I'm not even sure it it'd be real good for the job or not. I'm pretty sure with these CPU's the only people that are hitting 2Ghz + are the ones using liquid nitrogen. 1.8ghz is very posible with a compitend straght water cooled system. Another factor is your powersupply for the system itself, many people's system's are topping out at 1.5ghz because their powersupplys can't keep up and you'll prolly need to test a few mobo's to find which one can FSB overclock well so you can get up to your intended speeds. But trust me on one thing. If there's a will there's a way. edit If you wanna see some extreme cooling check out www.extremecooling.org Last time i checked he had a Athlon at some crazy speed @ 2.5v yes. 2.5v watercooled. I'm not sure if he's back into pelts or not. __________________ Click to view my Flickr Photostream Intel Core 2 Duo E5200 2.5Ghz @ 3.66Ghz 333x11\|Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4\|XFX Radeon 4890 1GB Apple Mac Pro 1,1 2.66Ghz\|6GB RAM\|ATI Radeon 4870 512MB Last edited by Crash Dummy; 16th August 2001 at 2:44 AM.

16th August 2001, 8:19 AM	#3
Memphis Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Melbourne Posts: 469	The other thing is to make sure you have good enough RAM. Just noticed that Kingmax have a new flavour! PC166 @ CAS3. What is the heat output of the 1.4GHz TBird? I presume its around 70W or so??? Its not totally undoable, just needs careful planning and a touch of luck! First off the money (like Crash Dummy said) is going to be $700-$800. Jeremy from Silverprop is looking to get some 230W peltiers. If these were operated at a lower than rated voltage, you will still get a huge amount of heat removal, but less heat generated by the peltier itself. Get a bloody good radiator, water block etc. I would personally not set such a high task for myself. With a huge jump like 600MHz, there is a possibility that you will not make it - thereby causing youself a bit of angst! Try just getting great cooling gear and seeing how far you can get it. Tweak all your settings for a further increase. Then see what you get! No chance of disappointment then. Lastly, look at a peltier chiller block combo. These may or may not give you a huge difference but it may get a further increase in speed. Then again it may not. But hey, you will have had fun! Go the chiller block option if you don't mind having a 1000W computer . Cheers and good luck. __________________ My Mini Beast Email me: atrewin@hotmail.com

16th August 2001, 3:28 PM	#4
Crash Dummy Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Newcastle, NSW Posts: 1,719	Memphis, shit is prolly gonna scare you shitless, but the heat output of a Athlon (tbird) @ 2ghz 2.0v (volt mod will almost certanly required) it's gonna be pushing in excess of 160watts. I'm not shitting. Hell, my Duron 800 @ 1050 2.05v produces about 67 to 75 watts. __________________ Click to view my Flickr Photostream Intel Core 2 Duo E5200 2.5Ghz @ 3.66Ghz 333x11\|Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4\|XFX Radeon 4890 1GB Apple Mac Pro 1,1 2.66Ghz\|6GB RAM\|ATI Radeon 4870 512MB

16th August 2001, 5:40 PM	#7
phantomguy Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Marquette, MI Posts: 26	THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS! THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS! I know have enough to go on, although I may just sit on my arse and wait for AMD to create a "safer" 2Ghz chip! __________________ \\_// Live long and Prosper

16th August 2001, 5:31 PM	#5
Fat Albert Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Shit On Knee ( Sydeny ) Posts: 27	d00d j00 gunna need a pelt hocked up to a Nuke Reactor

16th August 2001, 5:32 PM	#6
doolz Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 580	I haven't seen any people get their tbirds up to 2ghz even with a vapochill. The highest I've heard of is 1.9. The problem people have with running a tbird so high is stable voltage on the 5V rail, and consistent Vcore under load. You could mod the vapochill to be more powerful and it might do the job, but the power problem may be harder to find a solution to. If it's your life's ambition to get to 2ghz now, then kryotech might be the only practical solution for you (but at double the cost of a vapochill).

16th August 2001, 5:56 PM	#8
Rampage101 Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Country NSW Posts: 1,979	I realise you basically have all the info you want but... On HardOCP forums there was a guy with a t-bird 1.333 at 2ghz just plain watercooled NO JOKE, all his pics seem ligit, can member where in the forums, but it all seemed real. 2ghz!!!! __________________ AMD Phenom 920 \|\| Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DS5 \|\| Seagate 320gb & A-RAM 64gb Pro SSD \|\| 2x2GB Corsair XMS PC6400 DDR2 \|\| 512MB Powercolor HD4850 \|\| AMD Athlon II 245 \|\| Gigabyte GA-MA770-S3 2.0 \|\| WD 250gb OS, MDADM 5x HD753LJ Raid 5 \|\| 2x2GB Corsair XMS + 2x1GB XMS \|\| Nvidia x16 PCI-E cut down to 1x \|\|

17th August 2001, 6:59 AM	#9
Crash Dummy Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Newcastle, NSW Posts: 1,719	C'mon, someone challenge me. gimmie some money and a 386 and i'll get it to 200ghz with supa dupa mega cooled pelters cooled by liqud nitrogen Damn, i wish i could do something like that though, have a set budget within reason and build a system that can hit 2ghz stabily. (and isn't a P4) __________________ Click to view my Flickr Photostream Intel Core 2 Duo E5200 2.5Ghz @ 3.66Ghz 333x11\|Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4\|XFX Radeon 4890 1GB Apple Mac Pro 1,1 2.66Ghz\|6GB RAM\|ATI Radeon 4870 512MB

17th August 2001, 11:32 AM	#10
Rampage101 Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Country NSW Posts: 1,979	http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....highlight=2ghz thats the link in the HardOCP forums for the 2.086ghz athlon 1.33 __________________ AMD Phenom 920 \|\| Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DS5 \|\| Seagate 320gb & A-RAM 64gb Pro SSD \|\| 2x2GB Corsair XMS PC6400 DDR2 \|\| 512MB Powercolor HD4850 \|\| AMD Athlon II 245 \|\| Gigabyte GA-MA770-S3 2.0 \|\| WD 250gb OS, MDADM 5x HD753LJ Raid 5 \|\| 2x2GB Corsair XMS + 2x1GB XMS \|\| Nvidia x16 PCI-E cut down to 1x \|\|

17th August 2001, 1:33 PM	#11
doolz Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 580	Here's a link for improving the stability of the 5v rail. http://www.hardware-unlimited.com/ar...od/index.shtml

18th August 2001, 7:36 AM	#12
Crash Dummy Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Newcastle, NSW Posts: 1,719	I hate to say it but i've lost a little faith in Enermax after last night. Apart from reading that whole 16 pages about the 2gig Athlon it also says the voltage sags baddly. The other thing is while i was working on my PC tonight mucking with my new 120mm's i'd restarted the computer and it was running fine, Then i noticed one of the 12v+ wires had come out of the molex connector and was nearly brushing against the case . Soon as i saw that i hit the power button then had a closer look. Who ever was on wire crimping dutys must have been feeling lazy, every single one of the connectors wasn't together properly. It was posible to break the connection with ease, I said stuff this for a joke and fixed the problem REAL good. Using a long pin i pushed the tabs that old the gold connectors inside the molex plug and pulled them out then soldered the wires on on ALL the plugs. Needless to say it took a long time but i got it done. The other thing i hear about enermax's is that the actual ATX mobo cable is way too long and aparently makes the voltage sags worse, (explains 4.2v or whatever for that guy at Hardocp). If you've got a Enermax you'll know what i mean when i say the ATX cable is bloody long. I think it's supost to be something like 60 - 80cm long. The good thing is resistence is still pretty good due to the fat wires. The best mod i think you can do to a enermax is prolly shortening the ATX cable itself for less resistence. Personally i'd avoid the 5v mod at all costs. It doesn't really help that much at all and generally causes more problems than it fixes, not to mention it WILL kill the mosfets. If you need a bump in your 5v full load voltage i think you need to shorten the cable and then if it isn't high enough still adjusting the trim pots insdie the PSU to bumb the 5v rail up a little. 5.1 to 5.2v is definetly enough, Any higher and you really risk causing problems with other things. A little note about the 5v mod. i think someone mentioned that when you do the actual mod you are actually giving the mobo more unregulated power or something, (one persons say) the other said that when you do the mod you are affectively running the mosfets at 100% duty instead of the standard 30%. Can anyone quote me on this ? __________________ Click to view my Flickr Photostream Intel Core 2 Duo E5200 2.5Ghz @ 3.66Ghz 333x11\|Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4\|XFX Radeon 4890 1GB Apple Mac Pro 1,1 2.66Ghz\|6GB RAM\|ATI Radeon 4870 512MB

18th August 2001, 7:55 AM	#13
Crash Dummy Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Newcastle, NSW Posts: 1,719	Off topic i know but here's something i just thought i'd mention partically on the subject. My Duron 800 is currently running at 999Mhz (c'mon baby 1000 more cycles) @ 2.03v (i'm dropping the voltage back to 1.9v ASAP) on a Abit KT7 RAID (volt modded) being run off a Enermax 430watt PSU Currently my 5v rail is sagging baddly under full load. (Full Load) vcore = 2.03v (set to 1.85v in bios. Voltmod affected) +3.3v = 3.52v (when set to 3.3v in bios sags at 3.2v) +5.0v = 4.61v - 4.66 (over 1 minute observation) +12v = 11.47v (rock solid) (F@H disabled / near idle) vcore = 2.04v +3.3v = 3.52v (oh well, it hasn't moved at least) +5.0v = 4.81v +12v = 11.35 (strangely it dropped) __________________ Click to view my Flickr Photostream Intel Core 2 Duo E5200 2.5Ghz @ 3.66Ghz 333x11\|Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4\|XFX Radeon 4890 1GB Apple Mac Pro 1,1 2.66Ghz\|6GB RAM\|ATI Radeon 4870 512MB

18th August 2001, 8:06 AM	#14
Crash Dummy Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Newcastle, NSW Posts: 1,719	Don't ya hate it when ya remember / forget to add stuff that you ment to mention in the first place. Anyways, I thought i'd mention that that 2Ghz Athlon was no where near stable. It's mentioned that it's max stable speed is around 1.5ghz. Suspected problem is the Asus A7V133 mosfets. He recorded temps of 70 - 80.C . In my books that's fooking scary. Last time i felt mine they were just warm. I'd say that the biggest problem is prolly the board has hit it's limit and can't supply anymore current so it ends up heating up and dropping it's effientcy greatly (sorry 8am spelling). __________________ Click to view my Flickr Photostream Intel Core 2 Duo E5200 2.5Ghz @ 3.66Ghz 333x11\|Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4\|XFX Radeon 4890 1GB Apple Mac Pro 1,1 2.66Ghz\|6GB RAM\|ATI Radeon 4870 512MB

22nd August 2001, 10:59 AM	#15
billyboy Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: QLD, australia Posts: 13	theres another trick you can do you improve your 5 volt problem. go to the cause of the problem, the power supply. some power supply have small trimmers inside them and you can increase the 5 volt line. I did to my aopen, at 4.92 at the moment. I'm slowy pushingit up until i get it stable at 5.00v heres the link 5 volt mod