Nvidia GeForce GTX 500 Series | 580 570 560 | Reviews | General Discussion

[Ka0sX]

Originally Posted by anthony256

Turn PHYSX on and it solved your CSS lagging issues?

What.
The.

Wasnt lagg but what ever it was turn on physx and problem fixed

[anthony256]

Originally Posted by Acidburn000

I don't think that is what he meant.

It is what I meant - re-read it.

A card, released 12 months of another card being out - with the 5970 being just on 12 months old now.

GTX580 = brand new
5970 = 12 months old

The 6990 will surely beat the GTX580, and then if a 680 comes out in 12 months, that should be able to beat the 6990 (or at least come close).

Remember NVIDIA have had 2 generations of cards (480 and now 580) to beat a card. It took two generations and over 12 months of work to do so.

[Acidburn000]

Originally Posted by anthony256

Yeah, thanks ali1988.

Of course a brand new, GTX580 will be able to compete with a dual GPU card based on 2 of the not-fastest-GPU's slapped onto a single PCB from a year ago.



Is this confirmed? I haven't seen anything that shows the rumored dual 460 to support Surround Vision from teh single card... even if it does, it's a stupid limitation to still require a dual-GPU card to get Surround Vision support.

I see what you are saying now. You are saying in some posts the 580 is what the 480 should of been correct?. Now you are saying comparing 2 580's against 2 x 5870 GPUs(EG. 5970) is not fair! It is fair. There is nothing else from AMD to compare to. I'm just comparing what is here and now.
Cheers.

We will have to wait a while for AMD.

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[anthony256]

Originally Posted by Acidburn000

I see what you are saying now. You are saying in some posts the 580 is what the 480 should of been correct?. Now you are saying comparing 2 580's against 2 x 5870 GPUs(EG. 5970) is not fair! It is fair. There is nothing else from AMD to compare to. I'm just comparing what is here and now.
Cheers.

We will have to wait a while for AMD.

Please, please read my posts properly.

I'm comparing a SINGLE GTX580 to a SINGLE 5970.

I did not say anywhere in the same post, that the 580 is what the 480 was meant to be - that's a seperate topic and seperate post.

I too am comparing what is here and now - GTX580 to 5970.

And you said it beats it - I said, so it should.

GTX480 couldn't.
GTX580 can do it in some tests/games.

I said that after 12 months (of the 5970 being out) you would think that a second-generation GPU from NVIDIA could do it.

That is all, nothing more, nothing less.

As for that - it's leaked news, if it happens - it happens. AMD's 12 month old tech is still competing with NVIDIA's now second generation GPU's.

[SiriusDragon]

It's interesting though that if the 480 had have come out properly in the first place, it would have given the 5970 a SERIOUS run for it's money, like what the 580 is doing now.

Instead it's now going to compete (and probably lose) against the 6990. Unless of course nvidia's next dual gpu card is a monster, which presumably it will be.

If power levels for the 6970 are to be believed, then the 6990 will be quite a hungry and hot card. Hence justifying an equally hungry and hot dual gpu 5xx.

Yes, I get it that the 580 is simply a tweak while the 69xx are a new design, etc etc... even so... kinda shows that nvidia's original design was/is solid once you get the problems under control.

I wonder how they're gunna improve things for Kepler or if they just hope the die shrink will do it? If they just continue to increase complexity they'll have the same issue as what they had with the 480...

[anthony256]

If the 580 is only using ~10% less power than the 480 - I don't see a dual GPU card coming out. If we do, we'll see 2 x mid range 5xx cards, slapped together.

Where, AMD's much more thought out design and thermal requirements allowed 2 x high end GPU's to be slapped together.

[Spludge]

Originally Posted by Acidburn000

No it wans't a flop.

Looks like AusPCmarket will have it from this afternoon. Just waiting for them to fix their website.

I'll post here when we have them, but I'm intrigued as to why the site does not work for you - no-one else is reporting any issues with the site. IF you can tracert to the domain, please paste your results here. Last visible responder should be " router-equ-10m.auspcmarket.com.au" which is our gateway server at the rack.

[Acidburn000]

Originally Posted by anthony256

Please, please read my posts properly.

I'm comparing a SINGLE GTX580 to a SINGLE 5970.

I did not say anywhere in the same post, that the 580 is what the 480 was meant to be - that's a seperate topic and seperate post.

I too am comparing what is here and now - GTX580 to 5970.

And you said it beats it - I said, so it should.

GTX480 couldn't.
GTX580 can do it in some tests/games.

I said that after 12 months (of the 5970 being out) you would think that a second-generation GPU from NVIDIA could do it.

That is all, nothing more, nothing less.

As for that - it's leaked news, if it happens - it happens. AMD's 12 month old tech is still competing with NVIDIA's now second generation GPU's.

You can't compare 2 GPUs to 1GPU. The 580 thrashes the 5970 most of the time.

[Autti]

Originally Posted by Acidburn000

You can't compare 2 GPUs to 1GPU. The 580 thrashes the 5970 most of the time.

Sorry but you can.

Technologically you can't, but at the end of the day, both are homogenous products competing for your purchase.

Wether they have 1, 2 or 50 GPU's is irrelevant.

[anthony256]

Originally Posted by Acidburn000

You can't compare 2 GPUs to 1GPU. The 580 thrashes the 5970 most of the time.

You're the one who said the 580 beats the 5970 in most things - so it's ok to compare it for you, but when I come in and quote YOU saying it, it's not ok to compare it?

LOLWOT

Originally Posted by Autti

Sorry but you can.

Technologically you can't, but at the end of the day, both are homogenous products competing for your purchase.

Wether they have 1, 2 or 50 GPU's is irrelevant.

This.

[meremortal]

Originally Posted by Copie

480 wasnt a flop, it is (until today) the fastest single gpu card on the planet.

Yeh but it's not a card I would have ever bought. It's therefore a flop in my opinion and many others - too hot = too loud at normal gaming load.

The GTX580 on the other hand looks really great so far. Definitely a card I would be happy to buy. Yay Nvidia finally has a decent top end card again.

Originally Posted by Acidburn000

You can't compare 2 GPUs to 1GPU. The 580 thrashes the 5970 most of the time.

I hope Nvidia can bring out a replacement for the GTX295 this time around so we will actually have two top end DX11 dual GPU cards to compare against each other.

The GTX580 has to be compared to the AMD 6970. Won't be long now. It will be awesome for us consumers if the 6970 is cheaper, cooler, quieter and faster than the GTX580.

Another couple of weeks and we will know.

[Acidburn000]

Originally Posted by Spludge

I'll post here when we have them, but I'm intrigued as to why the site does not work for you - no-one else is reporting any issues with the site. IF you can tracert to the domain, please paste your results here. Last visible responder should be " router-equ-10m.auspcmarket.com.au" which is our gateway server at the rack.

here you go mate.

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\acidburn>tracert www.auspc.com.au

Tracing route to www.auspcmarket.com.au [218.185.51.82]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

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3 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms syd4-56k-137.tpgi.com.au [202.7.173.137]
4 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms bri-nxg-alf-crt2-gi-1-1-0.tpgi.com.au [202.7.162
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[SiriusDragon]

Originally Posted by anthony256

If the 580 is only using ~10% less power than the 480 - I don't see a dual GPU card coming out. If we do, we'll see 2 x mid range 5xx cards, slapped together.

Where, AMD's much more thought out design and thermal requirements allowed 2 x high end GPU's to be slapped together.

What if AMD can only fit on 2 68xx series chips for the 6990 due to thermal concerns? Or say, 2 6950's?

What if the rumours are true about the 6970s power usage?

I'm not saying nvidia would chuck 2 580s onto 1 card... although some company like ASUS or Zotac may do it.

But if the power rumours turn out to be true, then you'd have 2 mid range GPUs from AMD vs 2 mid range GPUs from nvidia, on their dual GPU cards.

If AMD can fit 2 6970 onto the 6990, that'll be pretty epic, and would probably beat a dual gpu nvidia card unless they pull something out of a hat

Anyways... enough AMD talk in this nvidia thread... lol

[anthony256]

Originally Posted by meremortal

I hope Nvidia can bring out a replacement for the GTX295 this time around.

The Fermi is still power hungry... as I said here:

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...&postcount=994

I don't think we'll see a dual GPU high end card - we might see dual GPU, but it'll be mid-range GPU's powering it. The 580 would need to use WAY less than 200W in order for it to be:

a: underclocked to <150/160W mark to allow 2 GPU's
b: to get the heat off (new vapour chamber cooler will help that).

[meremortal]

Originally Posted by Autti

why do people like single slot cards anyway?

Easier to fit more than one into a case for two or three card SLI.

Also some people like the elegance of a well cooled, well crafted piece of kit that doesn't take up 2 slots.

Also for some HTPC's and such that have limited space a single slot card can be the only way sometimes.