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Punster · 5th April 2011, 9:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FOXH0UND

Mines getting lonely. Need another.

580 SLI FTW!

demowhc · 5th April 2011, 9:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Punster

580 SLI FTW!

word

James086 · 5th April 2011, 9:33 PM

Damn straight!

GBL · 5th April 2011, 10:09 PM

GTX 570 is the new GTX 580 >.>

anthony256 · 6th April 2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by flu!d

At default clocks and even small overclocks that respect NV's voltage limitations the card runs fine Anthony, there's only so much NV can do to cater for overclockers while keeping the card at a price level that competes with the competitors product - And running 10 VRM's per GPU isn't going to help that cause....

....Even with improved voltage regulation, the 8 pin pci-e connectors are going to become the limitation.

When I first heard of the 590 I thought "It'll just be a competitive product at default clocks, but it won't overclock for s***, if you wanna overclock, get separate cards that offer a better cooling solution...."

....Honestly, am I the only person that thinks this way?!

However....

If you didn't have the foresight to get a mobo equipped with at minimum two 8x pci-e slots than the 590 may well be the card for you....

If you want a single NV card capable of NVS with three native DVI connections, than once again, the 590 may well be the card for you....

For every other scenario, including quad SLI/NVS, get individual cards.

I also follow the same train of thought regarding the 6990.

Then you never used a Radeon HD 5970. That was a dual-GPU and until the 6990 was released it was still the single fastest VGA card in the world.

That thing overclocked like a mother fucker. Yet it was a dual-GPU card

Luke212 · 6th April 2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by anthony256

Then you never used a Radeon HD 5970. That was a dual-GPU and until the 6990 was released it was still the single fastest VGA card in the world.

That thing overclocked like a mother fucker. Yet it was a dual-GPU card

it just means the 5970 was over engineered. which is good for us but bad for ati.

anthony256 · 6th April 2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke212

it just means the 5970 was over engineered. which is good for us but bad for ati.

It was very good engineering... but bad for them as it lasted in the market for so long and the 6990 even has a hard time battling it out in benchmarks, given that the 5970 is pretty old now.

(this is going OT, but I was using the previous post to make a point... AMD engineered their 5000-series much better than NVIDIA did, which in turn positioned them in the market much better for dual-GPU based tech).

flu!d · 6th April 2011, 12:39 PM

You missed my valid point entirely Anthony.

The 590 is engineered to a standard that matches the 5970.

The 5970 did not have two power hungry Fermi GPU's on it's PCB.

Therefore the 5970 could have power regulation circuitry that didn't need to be an overkill, the 5970 was also a good overclocker due to the energy efficient design of Cypress, it had nothing to do with quality of construction of the card nor did it have anything to do with the componentry on the PCB.

The 590 runs fine at default clocks and moderate overclocks provided NV's voltage limitations are adhered to and temperatures are kept under control - Adding more rugged voltage regulation circuitry would obviously have added to the retail cost of the card thereby pricing it out of the market, the two 8 pin pci-e connectors would also have become the limiting factor.

If you in any way thought a dual Fermi card was going to overclock like crazy, honestly, you were dreaming - It's just not going to happen, and never was going to happen.

To requote myself:

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If you didn't have the foresight to get a mobo equipped with at minimum two 8x pci-e slots than the 590 may well be the card for you....

If you want a single NV card capable of NVS with three native DVI connections, than once again, the 590 may well be the card for you....

For every other scenario, including quad SLI/NVS, get individual cards.

I also follow the same train of thought regarding the 6990.

[MDR] · 6th April 2011, 12:56 PM

Wow Fluid, do you work for nVidia? You would think so with the amount of passion in your posts.

anthony256 · 6th April 2011, 12:57 PM

I won't even go into that argument flu!d (you and your arguments/me getting banned constantly with you getting away with it) was the main reason I've stayed away from OCAU for a while.

But, didn't you defend quite proudly I might add, that the Fermi architecture was superior? The 590 is engineered to match the 5970 that is nearly TWO YEARS OLD??

Because of the failures that have plagued Fermi, it is not designed to have dual-GPU without it's issues, NVIDIA did it anyway and look at the teething issues it's having.

Bertross · 6th April 2011, 1:08 PM

WOW and no TDP talk yet

anthony256 · 6th April 2011, 1:32 PM

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Originally Posted by [MDR]

Wow Fluid, do you work for nVidia? You would think so with the amount of passion in your posts.

LOL

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Originally Posted by Bertross

WOW and no TDP talk yet

hahaha I think that argument is dead, there's no coming back from that! TDP arguments are now closed, or blowing up like the 590's :P

LuI3 · 6th April 2011, 1:33 PM

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Originally Posted by anthony256

I won't even go into that argument flu!d (you and your arguments/me getting banned constantly with you getting away with it) was the main reason I've stayed away from OCAU for a while.

But, didn't you defend quite proudly I might add, that the Fermi architecture was superior? The 590 is engineered to match the 5970 that is nearly TWO YEARS OLD??

Because of the failures that have plagued Fermi, it is not designed to have dual-GPU without it's issues, NVIDIA did it anyway and look at the teething issues it's having.

Naw I was ready to bust out the popcorn

meremortal · 6th April 2011, 1:34 PM

I'm still waiting on being able to send the GTX 570 back to OTA.

2 days to get me an RA number.

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Genuine question here:

The GTX590 is dual underclocked GTX580's right?

The 6990 is dual underclocked 6970's right?

Ignoring heat and fan noise - if an overclocker wanted to - can you push the GTX590 up to the same clocks and voltages you could push two GTX580's?

Ignoring heat and fan noise - if an overclocker wanted to - can you push the 6990 up to the same clocks and voltages you could push two 6970's?

anthony256 · 6th April 2011, 1:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LuI3

Naw I was ready to bust out the popcorn

It's just not worth it :P

6th April 2011, 12:57 PM	#2080
anthony256 Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Adelaide Posts: 10,787	I won't even go into that argument flu!d (you and your arguments/me getting banned constantly with you getting away with it) was the main reason I've stayed away from OCAU for a while. But, didn't you defend quite proudly I might add, that the Fermi architecture was superior? The 590 is engineered to match the 5970 that is nearly TWO YEARS OLD?? Because of the failures that have plagued Fermi, it is not designed to have dual-GPU without it's issues, NVIDIA did it anyway and look at the teething issues it's having. __________________ TOX enables me ^_^

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Bertross Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Melb, CBD Posts: 8,805	WOW and no TDP talk yet __________________ CORSAIR 350D WINDOWED - 3570K/PHANTEK - ASUS Z68 GENE IV - EVGA GTX 680 FTW 4GB - AVEXIR 16GB 2133MHZ - U2711 - SHURE SRH940/BEYERS DT880 PRO 250-OHMS - FILCO/PBT POKER DIABLO 3 ACCOUNT

6th April 2011, 1:34 PM	#2084
meremortal Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Benowa, Gold Coast Posts: 1,535	I'm still waiting on being able to send the GTX 570 back to OTA. 2 days to get me an RA number. ------ Genuine question here: The GTX590 is dual underclocked GTX580's right? The 6990 is dual underclocked 6970's right? Ignoring heat and fan noise - if an overclocker wanted to - can you push the GTX590 up to the same clocks and voltages you could push two GTX580's? Ignoring heat and fan noise - if an overclocker wanted to - can you push the 6990 up to the same clocks and voltages you could push two 6970's? __________________ My signature was here. Last edited by meremortal; 6th April 2011 at 1:41 PM.

5th April 2011, 10:09 PM	#2074
GBL (Taking a Break) Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 393	GTX 570 is the new GTX 580 >.>

6th April 2011, 12:56 PM	#2079
[MDR] (Banned or Deleted) Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Up to my nuts in PC guts! Posts: 122	Wow Fluid, do you work for nVidia? You would think so with the amount of passion in your posts.