Intel on board vision problem - tearing

Scissors · 20th December 2010, 12:56 PM

Hi all,
Normally my HTPC plays fine with the onboard but I'm having problems with blu rays. It will play for a little (less than 5mins) then an error comes up with: VIDEO RAM below 64Mb when I know this is bull.
The system is:

i3-530
GA-H57M-USB3 MB
4G RAM
Win7 64
Intel SSD 80G

Any ideas?
Cheers

*edit:
Changing memory allocation helped but using a refresh rate of 24 and 60 (I believe my monitor can only do 60 in 1920x1080). I'm getting tearing.
If any one has any ideas besides getting a vid card plz post.

Daft_Munt · 20th December 2010, 1:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scissors

Hi all,
Normally my HTPC plays fine with the onboard but I'm having problems with blu rays. It will play for a little (less than 5mins) then an error comes up with: VIDEO RAM below 64Mb when I know this is bull.
The system is:

i3-530
GA-H57M-USB3 MB
4G RAM
Win7 64
Intel SSD 80G

Any ideas?
Cheers

Allocate more RAM to the onboard video in the bios! I am guessing that it is only allocated 64mb up it to 256.

Scissors · 20th December 2010, 1:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daft_Munt

Allocate more RAM to the onboard video in the bios! I am guessing that it is only allocated 64mb up it to 256.

Thanks for the reply, I've been looking for that but I don't seen to see it. Any idea where I might have to look.
Sorry for being blind.

cheers

*edit found it, max I can select is 128MB+2MB for GTT

Daft_Munt · 20th December 2010, 4:29 PM

128 should help out but I dont have experience with your mobo/chipset.

Scissors · 21st December 2010, 9:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daft_Munt

128 should help out but I dont have experience with your mobo/chipset.

Yeap it helped but I get tearing on blu ray.
Besides 24 I've tried all the other refresh rates. I was hoping to use the onboard and not get a video card.
If any one has any ideas besides getting a vid card plz post.

cheers

Daft_Munt · 22nd December 2010, 4:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scissors

Yeap it helped but I get tearing on blu ray.
Besides 24 I've tried all the other refresh rates. I was hoping to use the onboard and not get a video card.
If any one has any ideas besides getting a vid card plz post.

cheers

What software are you using for Bluray playback? Some are better than others but I stick with PowerDVD that came with my HD DVD/Bluray drive. Have a look at this thread for some more ideas/help.

Scissors · 22nd December 2010, 5:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daft_Munt

What software are you using for Bluray playback? Some are better than others but I stick with PowerDVD that came with my HD DVD/Bluray drive. Have a look at this thread for some more ideas/help.

I upgraded my powerdvd to 10 as the 8 was shit and 9 not much better. So I'm using 10 but it has problems in WMC so I use playmovie (another cyberlink program). I'm not impressed with Cyberlink in the least.

oh and btw Merry Xmas to all

encoderboy · 23rd December 2010, 2:46 PM

I know you said suggestions *other* than a vid card, but seriously, the vid cards I buy for HTPCs cost ~$40. Any 8400GT / GT210 should play back 1080p perfectly. MSY sell 8500GS for $32.

How many hours to you want to spend on this? What's your time worth to you per hour? Go buy a $40 card and enjoy your Bluray goodness :-)

Scissors · 2nd January 2011, 4:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by encoderboy

I know you said suggestions *other* than a vid card, but seriously, the vid cards I buy for HTPCs cost ~$40. Any 8400GT / GT210 should play back 1080p perfectly. MSY sell 8500GS for $32.

How many hours to you want to spend on this? What's your time worth to you per hour? Go buy a $40 card and enjoy your Bluray goodness :-)

Yeah it looks like thats the way I have to go. The reason I am so against a vid card is I updated my HTPC to this config and sold my 8400GS for $20 coz I thought I didn't need it. Now I have to buy another one

Dropbear · 7th January 2011, 4:44 PM

plenty of people run the onboard graphics just fine ...

i'd be looking for something else as the cause of the worries.

Scissors · 7th January 2011, 6:43 PM

Going to trial Total Media

Scissors · 25th January 2011, 1:50 PM

Well Total Media didn't help.
I've done further research and it seems its a fundamental problem for the i3 processor and 24fps ie blu ray.

Here's something I found:
"As for the 24p vs 23.976p issue - AIUI Intel have never fixed it with their previous IGP graphics systems and the HTPC experts on other boards are pessimistic that they will be able to with the i3 on-board GPU as it is based on the same hardware apparently. Amazing that Intel can deliver such a great solution, complete with HDMI HD Audio bitstreaming, and get something so fundamental as properly supporting standard broadcast video refresh rates so wrong."

I wil do further research but my thinking is if I change the i3 for an i5 I may have success? Besides getting a video card.

Scissors · 8th February 2011, 3:43 PM

I've changed the cpu over to an i5-650 and reinstalled the br media player and no tearing ... hmmmmmmmm

kally · 10th February 2011, 3:46 AM

The 23.976p issue is nothing to do with tearing. It'll only propagate itself as an extra frame every ~40 seconds. This has been present since Clarkdale, and continues with Sandy Bridge! It wont be resolved completely until Ivy Bridge in 2012.

The tearing issue must be some other limitation in your resources. Frame buffer issue?

Scissors · 10th February 2011, 9:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kally

The 23.976p issue is nothing to do with tearing. It'll only propagate itself as an extra frame every ~40 seconds. This has been present since Clarkdale, and continues with Sandy Bridge! It wont be resolved completely until Ivy Bridge in 2012.

The tearing issue must be some other limitation in your resources. Frame buffer issue?

We're starting to get into an area out of my expertise. I changed the bios to its max which was "128MB+2MB for GTT" perhaps this has something to do with it. I was surprised to see my mother board can not allocate more RAM to the onboard processing of video.
Anyway I was curious to see if the i5 worked better than the i3 and the i5 seems to be running as you would expect without tearing with using a reinstalled PowerDVD 10 outside of WMC (inside WMC it seems a bit unstable for me will do further tests once I have time).

20th December 2010, 12:56 PM	#1
Scissors Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 146	Intel on board vision problem - tearing Hi all, Normally my HTPC plays fine with the onboard but I'm having problems with blu rays. It will play for a little (less than 5mins) then an error comes up with: VIDEO RAM below 64Mb when I know this is bull. The system is: i3-530 GA-H57M-USB3 MB 4G RAM Win7 64 Intel SSD 80G Any ideas? Cheers edit: Changing memory allocation helped but using a refresh rate of 24 and 60 (I believe my monitor can only do 60 in 1920x1080). I'm getting tearing. If any one has any ideas besides getting a vid card plz post. Last edited by Scissors; 25th January 2011 at 2:20 PM.*

7th January 2011, 4:44 PM	#10
Dropbear Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brisbane Posts: 8,941	plenty of people run the onboard graphics just fine ... i'd be looking for something else as the cause of the worries. __________________ 500Px \| Model Mayhem \| Flickr \| DeviantArt

23rd December 2010, 2:46 PM	#8
encoderboy Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Morningside, Brisbane Posts: 103	I know you said suggestions other than a vid card, but seriously, the vid cards I buy for HTPCs cost ~$40. Any 8400GT / GT210 should play back 1080p perfectly. MSY sell 8500GS for $32. How many hours to you want to spend on this? What's your time worth to you per hour? Go buy a $40 card and enjoy your Bluray goodness :-)

7th January 2011, 6:43 PM	#11
Scissors Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 146	Going to trial Total Media

25th January 2011, 1:50 PM	#12
Scissors Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 146	Well Total Media didn't help. I've done further research and it seems its a fundamental problem for the i3 processor and 24fps ie blu ray. Here's something I found: "As for the 24p vs 23.976p issue - AIUI Intel have never fixed it with their previous IGP graphics systems and the HTPC experts on other boards are pessimistic that they will be able to with the i3 on-board GPU as it is based on the same hardware apparently. Amazing that Intel can deliver such a great solution, complete with HDMI HD Audio bitstreaming, and get something so fundamental as properly supporting standard broadcast video refresh rates so wrong." I wil do further research but my thinking is if I change the i3 for an i5 I may have success? Besides getting a video card.

8th February 2011, 3:43 PM	#13
Scissors Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 146	I've changed the cpu over to an i5-650 and reinstalled the br media player and no tearing ... hmmmmmmmm

10th February 2011, 3:46 AM	#14
kally Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Fremantle Posts: 777	The 23.976p issue is nothing to do with tearing. It'll only propagate itself as an extra frame every ~40 seconds. This has been present since Clarkdale, and continues with Sandy Bridge! It wont be resolved completely until Ivy Bridge in 2012. The tearing issue must be some other limitation in your resources. Frame buffer issue?