[WIN8] Windows 8 Thread

[andyroo54]

Originally Posted by OldnBold

Stop being so condescending it makes you look like a pompous ass.

For the record my Windows 7 boots in 6.9 secs ... windows 8 is about the same. (an SSD helps).

Don't deign to tell me what scares me and what doesn't. It certainly isn't crappy Windows 8.

So that's what it looks like when someone eats their words.. ugly!


Now please, post a video showing your windows 8 boot at the exact same speed (6.9) as windows 7. Oh, what's that? You can't? Windows 7 takes much longer?? But you just said it's the same??

EAT THEM.

I love how you completely ignored how I pointed out your false statement and just tried to insult me instead. Classic oldnbold. Do I have to post those specs again?

[GetSmart]

Originally Posted by OldnBold

Stop being so condescending it makes you look like a pompous ass.

After the last post, completely agree

[andyroo54]

Originally Posted by GetSmart

After the last post, completely agree

Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was THE INTERNET/

Still waiting for oldnbold to show how windows 8 isn't any faster at anything compared to win 7.

[elvis]

Originally Posted by chainbolt

It clearly is more than a "launcher". You are not only launching apps by touching the tile, the title itself can constantly provide real time content, such as stock prices, weather forecasts, exchange rates, breaking news, .....

So it's a launcher with dynamic content.

Sounds a lot like what those Rainmeter kids are building, except their stuff is free, more user-customisable, and looks nicer.

Originally Posted by PabloEscobar

I'm curious what the people you have mentored use windows for, and what specific limitations they have come up against.

Summarising the last decade of my career in a single post is not only impossible, but outside of the scope of this thread. I've been asked by a lot of people to start some sort of blog/wiki of the things I do on a regular basis, and it's something I've been meaning to do for years. I've started building a site for that in the last week, and I'll begin filling it with content as free time permits. That will cover a lot of technical detail about the things I do with operating systems (all of them, not just Windows and Linux), and the limitations I come up against with all of them.

Originally Posted by PabloEscobar

You mention it further down in your post. Windows may not be the right tool for every job it is used for, but the 80/20 rule applies here, 80% of the time, It will be.

Not quite. 80% of the time it will be "good enough", as opposed to "a perfect fit". 80% of user have very limited requirements. Being able to send and receive email, edit and share documents, and access the web pretty much covers off 80% of office workers. Microsoft tools are definitely "good enough" to achieve this. I currently work in an office where of these 80% users, the current rollout is 50/50 Mac and Windows. The support staff on site have equal skill managing both systems, and the choice of desktop environment is given to the end user. Ultimately their personal preferences in their choice of OS are their own, but whether they choose Windows or MacOSX has no negative impact on their very simplistic user requirements.

Conversely, most corporate offices impose a 100% Microsoft setup on end-users purely in the name of being able to easily employ low-salary IT management staff to keep it all running. Again, that's "good enough" for 80% of use cases. And for the 20% where it's not, it's either ignored, outsourced, or more often than not just done very poorly with substandard tools and far too much repetitive human labour.

Again in my office, that final 20% use Linux. That makes the entire site 40% Windows, 40% Mac, 20% Linux, which to me is a pretty standard distribution of users within a business based on the complexity of their role, and their need for tools that match their level of skill and requirement of work output. The only difference with this business is that they're actually willing to put effort into the workflow of users with custom environments, rather than impose a white-wash of a single vendor's products in order to make IT's job easier (or keep IT wages lower, which seems to be the goal in a lot of businesses).

But anyway, that's about the third time I've explained all this, and is still totally off topic. If people want to continue this conversation with me, I invite them to start a thread somewhere else on the discussion of businesses that have mixed environments (the business/enterprise forum would be a great start). I'm happy to continue it there, and leave this thread return to the topic of Windows 8.

[PabloEscobar]

Originally Posted by elvis

So it's a launcher with dynamic content.

Sounds a lot like what those Rainmeter kids are building, except their stuff is free, more user-customisable, and looks nicer.

Metro also provides the framework and toolkit for Metro Apps to work in/under. Somewhat similar to the philosophy of QT or GTK.

Originally Posted by elvis

Summarising the last decade of my career in a single post is not only impossible, but outside of the scope of this thread. I've been asked by a lot of people to start some sort of blog/wiki of the things I do on a regular basis, and it's something I've been meaning to do for years. I've started building a site for that in the last week, and I'll begin filling it with content as free time permits. That will cover a lot of technical detail about the things I do with operating systems (all of them, not just Windows and Linux), and the limitations I come up against with all of them.

I look forward to it.

Originally Posted by elvis

But anyway, that's about the third time I've explained all this, and is still totally off topic. If people want to continue this conversation with me, I invite them to start a thread somewhere else on the discussion of businesses that have mixed environments (the business/enterprise forum would be a great start). I'm happy to continue it there, and leave this thread return to the topic of Windows 8.

We got off track talking about business cases for Windows 8, and my point of view is, that as long as your business applications work, the underlying OS is largely irrelevant. This still holds true for windows 8.

Does Windows 8 bring enough else to the table to justify a business wide rollout is the question. For me, probably not.

[Diode]

I've been using Windows 8 as a VM on my Mac Air to do some work stuff, and overall I find that while I'm working out how to get things done, there is nothing I find with the new interface that makes my life any easier. I feel that they have shifted everything around without any benefit at all to usability except probably if you own tablet then that's where it will work better than Windows 7 tablets.

I can't help but think that this release will be the testing grounds for Metro and only maybe Windows 9 might get the whole desktop to tablet UI thing right.

I can only imagine that the masses will not warm to this. Just like XP to Vista I most people will wipe Windows 8 and load in Windows 7 to any new laptops and desktops. Tablets will probably still be dominated by Apple.

[chainbolt]

Originally Posted by OldnBold

Windows 8 has done absolutely none of this unless you are a tablet user. It is a step in the wrong direction for an OS. My only consolation is that they will learn the hard way as they did with Vista.

Indeed, and that is the reason for W8. In the very near future the vast majority of PC systems will be tablets, portables, or other systems with touch screens. If MS is not moving their OS in this direction, they lose their major cash cow, if not their entire current business model. I am not saying that W8 is perfect, but the bemoaning to get an new OS with a GUI that is addressing a major consumer trend is out of touch with reality.

Originally Posted by OldnBold

For the record my Windows 7 boots in 6.9 secs ... windows 8 is about the same. (an SSD helps).

I have W7 and W8 running on the system running and boot them from the same SSD. W8 is clearly booting faster, not much, but noticeable, as confirmed by numerous test reports. I guess the difference if booting from a HDD would be even greater. Actually, I don't care, but it's a fact.

[PabloEscobar]

Originally Posted by chainbolt

Indeed, and that is the reason for W8. In the very near future the vast majority of PC systems will be tablets, portables, or other systems with touch screens. If MS is not moving their OS in this direction, they lose their major cash cow, if not their entire current business model. I am not saying that W8 is perfect, but the bemoaning to get an new OS with a GUI that is addressing a major consumer trend is out of touch with reality.

will the enthusiast MS Desktop market drop win 8?, and if they do, what do they drop it for.?

I view tablets as a tool for consuming, rather than creation, and as there are always going to be more consumers than creators, it makes financial sense for MS to target this market.

[OldnBold]

Originally Posted by andyroo54

I love how you completely ignored how I pointed out your false statement and just tried to insult me instead. Classic oldnbold. Do I have to post those specs again?

You are such a child. Firstly, you post a bunch of statistics with absolutely no validity (you failed to list your computer specs and the versions of the programs you used to test).

To cap that all off you ignored one test where Windows 7 is definately handing Windows 8 its' arse ... the Office Productivity Test by Futuremark. Surprise, surprise this program measures the tasks most people do on a daily basis, use word, powerpoint and virus scanning.

You need to grow up ... for a supposed IT professional you know very little.

[PsydFX]

Originally Posted by OldnBold

You are such a child. Firstly, you post a bunch of statistics with absolutely no validity (you failed to list your computer specs and the versions of the programs you used to test).

To cap that all off you ignored one test where Windows 7 is definately handing Windows 8 its' arse ... the Office Productivity Test by Futuremark. Surprise, surprise this program measures the tasks most people do on a daily basis, use word, powerpoint and virus scanning.

You need to grow up ... for a supposed IT professional you know very little.

There has been a reasonable number of comparisons all demonstrating similar results in favour of Windows 8 – it hardly matters that his post doesn’t go into the nth degree with regards to the testing he has undertaken.

Also, whilst the Office Productivity Test did show Windows 7 to be 8% faster, it has been noted that these results are likely to change as Windows 8 moves towards release, and it has also been noted that Futuremark are in the process of updating the tools for Windows 8 – which again, would likely change those results as well.

[MR CHILLED]

"Windows 8 set for October release "

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/techno...-1226422123635

[elvis]

Originally Posted by PabloEscobar

Does Windows 8 bring enough else to the table to justify a business wide rollout is the question. For me, probably not.

Unless a business is on some sort of enterprise licensing agreement, business sites won't be doing site-wide rollouts to Win8 any time soon in order to maximise their Win7 licensing. Even then, Win7 is a relatively stable OS with a pretty wide install base and a known list of problems and workarounds, so those with EALs won't be champing at the bit to upgrade. Add to that the "nobody installs Windows until SP1" mentality that's common place, and we'll see the WinXP->Win7 upgrade stall happening all over again.

For what it's worth, however, Microsoft have reduced the time from release to SP1 of Windows with every release since Win2K. It's clear they're working around the psychology of business users.

[millsy_c]

Yeah they do seem to learn over time.

I still haven't worked out if andyroo is trying to provoke repsonses out of people or not yet

[andyroo54]

Originally Posted by PabloEscobar

will the enthusiast MS Desktop market drop win 8?, and if they do, what do they drop it for.?

I view tablets as a tool for consuming, rather than creation, and as there are always going to be more consumers than creators, it makes financial sense for MS to target this market.

Even if they drop it, which they might, they'll probably just go to win 7 anyway. But I really think this $40 upgrade price tag is going to make a HUGE difference to how many people make the move.Say you are hardcore XP fan, if you look at the price, windows 8 makes very good value for money. And chances are you are also being someone that doesn't like metro, well being hardcore XP fan you can easily figure out a way around it (install classic 8 start or whatever it is). Whether that means profits of MS I don't know. People much smarter than me do the maths.

[millsy_c]

The lower system requirements would definitely be an enticement for users of Windows XP, and given it actually boots really nicely off older hdd's I can see a few taking that route to keep up to date.