[WIN8] Windows 8 Thread - Page 164

power · 14th August 2012, 1:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OpenSystem

Lets take that one step further, e.g: Origin.

Now imagine a world where every publisher retained exclusive digital distribution rights for their newly created digital distribution services.

Where do I start?

Origin is already a disaster, the pricing is horrendous.

The only good thing about Origin is that it works better now than it did as EA Downloader.

This platform locked exclusivity is just something I hate.

G-PhresH · 14th August 2012, 1:43 PM

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Originally Posted by power

they'll just make an overlay and the same broken arse system will sit underneath it.

Source?

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Originally Posted by power

The other thing to be concerned about is patching of games, I'm sure we all remember the Fez XBLA patching disaster?

Out of all the games on XBLA (thousands) Fez was the first one anyone had heard about that had issues like that. Besides Fez's created had fucked MS around for years with that game, and he is a kind of a notorious jerk.....
Also MS had TRIED to work with the creator but apparently they declined the help

http://www.xblafans.com/microsoft-re...ase-52155.html

OpenSystem · 14th August 2012, 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by power

This platform locked exclusivity is just something I hate.

I cant see it getting better.

hdkhang · 14th August 2012, 1:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OpenSystem

But metro only distributes metro apps.

What other central app distribution services are available for non-metro apps?

If I were valve I'd have a beef with metro's focus within Windows and it's nature being closed.

I'm still wondering how much it will cost valve to have a metro app, and whether or not this metro app can call or execute x86 programs from within the metro environment, e.g: their entire games library.

I imagine it would not be any different to how the current windows 8 start screen calls desktop apps.

power · 14th August 2012, 1:48 PM

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Originally Posted by G-PhresH

Source?

what makes you think they won't - they said they would create an all new email system for outlook.com - it's hotmail/live mail reskinned. Hell Windows 8 is NT built upon and built upon.

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Originally Posted by G-PhresH

Out of all the games on XBLA (thousands) Fez was the first one anyone had heard about that had issues like that. Besides Fez's created had fucked MS around for years with that game, and he is a kind of a notorious jerk.....
Also MS had TRIED to work with the creator but apparently they declined the help

http://www.xblafans.com/microsoft-re...ase-52155.html

If I was him I would have the shits too for not being able to push out a patch that was going to cost me $40k - places like XBLA, the PSN Store and the like are FANTASTIC IDEAS - but in practice they sit behind large monopolistic companies who just want a great big cut of everything - Valve are not like this, their sales speak to this. Many other developers just suck it up from what I've read too, about time someone said $40k to patch my own apps?

I think the Microsoft Store will be like Origin, bugfucked for ages and expensive as hell.

Some of you guys are waaaaaay too positive about this, when someone rams a store infront of you front and center on their products (Apple for instance) you know pricing etc will suck - itunes vs Google Play - itunes is more expensive on pretty much every single app. Origin charge retail box for digital download. Stores like this limit choice because it doesn't encourage end users to look any further.

OpenSystem · 14th August 2012, 1:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hdkhang

I imagine it would not be any different to how the current windows 8 start screen calls desktop apps.

And this will pass MS certification for MS store?

It's no longer a fully functioning app within Windows RT

They would have to release two versions?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr.../hh694083.aspx

3.3 Your app must provide the same user experience on all processor types that it supports

If your app has a different user interface or functionality when it runs on different processor types, you must submit a separate app for each processor type and describe the differences in the Description of each app.

Vladdo · 14th August 2012, 1:56 PM

Wtf.. origin is awesome.. much better than steam for using cheap keys with

power · 14th August 2012, 1:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vladdo

Wtf.. origin is awesome.. much better than steam for using cheap keys with

but for Johnny public he has to pay full retail for games that require a digital download rather than risk buying from a CD Key service.

Riddle me this, will you be able to activate cheap keys bought outside the store?

millsy_c · 14th August 2012, 1:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vladdo

Wtf.. origin is awesome.. much better than steam for using cheap keys with

One thing I'll give origin is that the download speeds seem better than steam.

I couldn't stop laughing though when I made this.

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G-PhresH · 14th August 2012, 1:58 PM

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Originally Posted by power

what makes you think they won't - they said they would create an all new email system for outlook.com - it's hotmail/live mail reskinned. Hell Windows 8 is NT built upon and built upon.

All the reviews of outlook.com have been extremely positive, not sure where you are getting your information.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=o...GIqjiQfDjICwDg

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Originally Posted by power

If I was him I would have the shits too for not being able to push out a patch that was going to cost me $40k - places like XBLA, the PSN Store and the like are FANTASTIC IDEAS - but in practice they sit behind large monopolistic companies who just want a great big cut of everything - Valve are not like this, their sales speak to this. Many other developers just suck it up from what I've read too, about time someone said $40k to patch my own apps?

I think the Microsoft Store will be like Origin, bugfucked for ages and expensive as hell.

Some of you guys are waaaaaay too positive about this, when someone rams a store infront of you front and center on their products (Apple for instance) you know pricing etc will suck - itunes vs Google Play - itunes is more expensive on pretty much every single app. Origin charge retail box for digital download. Stores like this limit choice because it doesn't encourage end users to look any further.

Then just buy from Steam.
Steam will still be able to run on Win8 regardless because it runs Win7 applications.
You seem to be WAAAYYYY to negative about this. Everything you are saying is conjecture and heresay.

In the end vote with your money. No one is forcing you to use MS marketplace or iTunes. Use Steam or Google Play instead.

You seem to have this fixation that Win8 will be the end of choice for the consumer as we know it. If anything its giving people MORE choice.

power · 14th August 2012, 2:01 PM

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Originally Posted by G-PhresH

All the reviews of outlook.com have been extremely positive, not sure where you are getting your information.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=o...GIqjiQfDjICwDg

Then just buy from Steam.
Steam will still be able to run on Win8 regardless because it runs Win7 applications.
You seem to be WAAAYYYY to negative about this. Everything you are saying is conjecture and heresay.

In the end vote with your money. No one is forcing you to use MS marketplace or iTunes. Use Steam or Google Play instead.

You seem to have this fixation that Win8 will be the end of choice for the consumer as we know it. If anything its giving people MORE choice.

how is what I am saying conjecture and what you are saying fact - the store doesn't even exist yet....

Bundling a store (like bundling a browser or Media Player) reduces choice because most end users look no further - that IS a fact.

outlook.com is pretty much just Hotmail which I have used for years, it even feels the same just looks a bit different regardless of what reviews say.

Vladdo · 14th August 2012, 2:02 PM

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Originally Posted by power

but for Johnny public he has to pay full retail for games that require a digital download rather than risk buying from a CD Key service.

Riddle me this, will you be able to activate cheap keys bought outside the store?

Well green man gaming, gamersgate uk, gamesplanet uk (and even amazon) all have cheap legit EA games keys.. I didn't even suggest non legit sources. And if you want to pay retail prices just go buy an EA game from JB and key it into origin..

G-PhresH · 14th August 2012, 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by power

how is what I am saying conjecture and what you are saying fact - the store doesn't even exist yet....

Bundling a store (like bundling a browser or Media Player) reduces choice because most end users look no further - that IS a fact.

A large portion of regular end users who play and download video games are not retarted. They have heard of Steam/Origin. Hell quite a few just buy CD Keys from other sites and redeem them via Origin/Steam.

Valve might hate competition, but its not losing its crown any time soon (if at all). They can advertise their website IN the marketplace and direct people there.

The only difference is that they now have competition......

power · 14th August 2012, 2:10 PM

There will be a lot of new users, who will have no more choices, the store is there they pop a credit card in and proceed to get bent over, whereas Valve could make a Steamworks game to entice new customers previously.

It's not a complete removal of choice but as more people look to buy online they are looking for options for sure, now instead they will have the MS Store rammed in their face - Apple Style - I don't like how Apple do it and I'm certainly not a fan of MS copying it.

OpenSystem · 14th August 2012, 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by G-PhresH

A large portion of regular end users who play and download video games are not retarted. They have heard of Steam/Origin. Hell quite a few just buy CD Keys from other sites and redeem them via Origin/Steam.

Valve might hate competition, but its not losing its crown any time soon (if at all). They can advertise their website IN the marketplace and direct people there.

The only difference is that they now have competition......

For $100 PA?

Because MS forced Metro and it's store as the new Windows focal point.

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