[WIN8] Windows 8 Thread - Page 5

HUMMER · 16th April 2011, 1:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodoman

Bloatware? They take up 100-200mb tops... What's the point of giant hard drives?

less bloatware the more he can store on them. and the less bloatware the quicker windows will load.

Dodoman · 16th April 2011, 1:37 AM

Yes IE and Media Centre start with windows... And all the games open up in the background once you login...

HUMMER · 16th April 2011, 1:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodoman

Yes IE and Media Centre start with windows... And all the games open up in the background once you login...

the point im making is why cant someone have a say in what they want to install after windows installs. this way. if someone wants IE, media centre and whatever else. then do a windows update then. one will still have it. for those that dont want it. then they dont have to install it.

at the least provide it the CD/DVD but not install by default. this way you can pick and choose the options you want.

why is that so hard?

Dodoman · 16th April 2011, 1:59 AM

It's not hard... I'm taking issue with him calling it bloatware - the win 7 install is already 10-15GB so what's another 200mb (which can be removed once windows is installed)?

FLB · 16th April 2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wizball

Windows 8 = ver 6.2?

It's still 6.1

Brett · 16th April 2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodboys

I just wish Windows would make an easy compiler at install time, because I don't want IE/Media Center/GAMES and other bloatware.
That's what Windows Update is for i think!!!

Server 2008 has a good package selection setup, it's not that they can't do it but won't.

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Originally Posted by Dodoman

I'm taking issue with him calling it bloatware

If eit's not required, it's bloat. I'm using non-MS email, browser, media player and file compression tools; why shouldn't I be able to not install their inferior products? From your own list they're installing more crap we're just going to uninstall/disable so why not just let us not install it?

Next they'll be slipstreaming G4WL installs...

DarkYendor · 16th April 2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FLB

It's still 6.1

Vista = 6
Win 7 = 6.1

(Again, showing they're pretty much the same thing.)

EvilGenius · 16th April 2011, 7:42 PM

I don't really care how much has technically changed between vista and 7. The simple fact is I can install 7 on a P4 2.8 system that is otherwise useless to me and have it perform useful tasks. Can this be done with vista? Sure, after an hour screwing around disabling stuff and optimising it up the wazoo. I don't want to have to do that and I shouldn't have to. Nor should I have to download patch after patch after patch to make the system usable. Screw Vista and the horse it rode in on.

Carbonfibre · 19th April 2011, 11:19 AM

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/19421/...ked/index.html

Win 8 task manager screenshot leaked

Carbonfibre · 19th April 2011, 11:23 AM

http://www.techspot.com/news/43330-w...sb-device.html

Win 8 Portable workspace

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Windows 8 build 7850, the first leaked Windows 8 build, may be old (it was compiled on September 22, 2010) as it's from Milestone 1, but it actually does contain something we haven't seen before. There are a number of references to a brand new feature in Windows called Portable Workspaces, discovered by users on the My Digital Life forums (via WinRumors).

Here is the full description of the feature, which requires 16GB of space, as seen in the early Windows 8 build:

Portable Workspace Creator
Portable Workspace is a Windows feature that allows you to run Windows from a USB storage device.
To create a Portable Workspace, you need access to Windows 8 Enterprise Edition installation files and a USB storage device with the following features:
The device appears as fixed storage media.
There is sufficient space for a full installation of Windows 8 Enterprise Edition.

Windows enthusiasts have been putting the operating system on USB drives for years, but having Microsoft officially support the feature should ease the process. It appears Microsoft is targeting the feature at business customers and IT professionals who want to use the latest version of Windows on a computer which they do not want to modify.

It's not yet clear exactly how Portable Workspaces work once created. It would be nice if the feature would let you bring your whole workstation with you on your USB drive. The initial setup (putting a fresh installation of Windows 8 on your USB device) would surely take a while, but afterwards syncing what's on your PC should not take very long.

Maybe I'm expecting a little too much from this feature, but I can envision many scenarios in which I would rather take just my 16GB USB stick with me instead of my whole laptop. Once at another computer, I could access all my files and programs as needed. My USB stick is on my keychain anyway, so it never leaves my side, while obviously my laptop is not as convenient to bring along.

Flamin Joe · 19th April 2011, 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkYendor

Vista = 6
Win 7 = 6.1

(Again, showing they're pretty much the same thing.)

Interesting thing I was told by MS during the W7 Beta. The reason why they went with 6.1 instead of 7.0 was purely for potential compatibilty issues with older applications. Simply put, an older application looks for the Windows version expecting it to come back with 6.x, but instead gets a 7.0 so it kicks up an error. At least that's my recollection of what I was told (it's been a few years now).

Not sure how big of a problem it would of been, but I think after all the issues with Vista they weren't willing to take the risk. It's interesting to see now that the current Milestone releases have now adopted 7.0 so perhaps it wasn't as big an issue, or not a big issue now.

I'm always taken a back when people are suprised that current Windows versions are built upon from the previous release. It's been that way pretty much from the start as far as I know. I've been Beta Testing since Windows 98 SE, and every early release I've seen since has been indentical to the previous OS release in just about every way besides the name and a few things "under the hood". It's not until later releases that the OS finally takes on it's own look.

DarkYendor · 19th April 2011, 7:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamin Joe

Interesting thing I was told by MS during the W7 Beta. The reason why they went with 6.1 instead of 7.0 was purely for potential compatibilty issues with older applications. Simply put, an older application looks for the Windows version expecting it to come back with 6.x, but instead gets a 7.0 so it kicks up an error. At least that's my recollection of what I was told (it's been a few years now).

Sure, there's bad programming. But the Kernel is really what defines the version, and it wasn't really changed between Vista and 7 (plenty more info online about it).

Hive · 19th April 2011, 8:27 PM

What the hell microsoft?

patto · 19th April 2011, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkYendor

They're happy, simply because they're not using Vista. When you're using something everyone says is shit, you're going to think it's shit, even if you have no reason. Windows 7 is 90% re-branding and 10% improvements.

Your keep harping on about this but it really isn't evidenced by user experience.

I and most people I know hated Vista and got rid of it to XP as soon as possible. Whereas Windows 7 most people were happy using. Forget about re-branding most of the people I know don't keep up on tech opinions of an OS.

Personally I preferred Windows2000 to XP, it didn't have the gay interface features. I still prefer windows 2000 in many ways. However Win 7 was the first OS following 2000 that actually made me want to use it.

Brett · 19th April 2011, 11:47 PM

Although basically the same kernel, I used Server 2008 over Vista. Being able to cut all the Vista crap out of Vista was great. Now running 7 and it's almost on par with S2008.

Win8 Portable Workspace? Will be super slow on the generic flash drives most people have. Will be interesting how they manage memory/swap though.

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16th April 2011, 1:37 AM	#62
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16th April 2011, 1:59 AM	#64
Dodoman Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 3145 Posts: 2,375	It's not hard... I'm taking issue with him calling it bloatware - the win 7 install is already 10-15GB so what's another 200mb (which can be removed once windows is installed)? __________________ Bleh Steam profile

16th April 2011, 7:42 PM	#68
EvilGenius Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: _Rocky Status:_Folding! Posts: 6,353	I don't really care how much has technically changed between vista and 7. The simple fact is I can install 7 on a P4 2.8 system that is otherwise useless to me and have it perform useful tasks. Can this be done with vista? Sure, after an hour screwing around disabling stuff and optimising it up the wazoo. I don't want to have to do that and I shouldn't have to. Nor should I have to download patch after patch after patch to make the system usable. Screw Vista and the horse it rode in on. __________________ i5-750@4.0 \| GA-P55A-UD3P \| 32GB GsKill Ares PC-12800 \| NVS420 \| Corsair HX-850 \| CMStacker810 Once more unto the breach dear friends, once more Cry fold for Team24, OCAU and all the world! Wanted - 2 x Dell S2409W's, 14-15" i3/i5/i7 laptop ballpark $300

19th April 2011, 11:19 AM	#69
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19th April 2011, 11:47 PM	#75
Brett Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Bunbury, WA Posts: 3,350	Although basically the same kernel, I used Server 2008 over Vista. Being able to cut all the Vista crap out of Vista was great. Now running 7 and it's almost on par with S2008. Win8 Portable Workspace? Will be super slow on the generic flash drives most people have. Will be interesting how they manage memory/swap though.