[WIN8] Windows 8 Thread

[G-PhresH]

Originally Posted by SpudBoy

no it isnt.


there is a command shell, but DOS has been gone since windows 2000. (well technically WinME, but that never existed)

I think he meant that it still exists as an option, where as i meant it as the foundation of the user experience.

[SpudBoy]

Originally Posted by G-PhresH

I think he meant that it still exists as an option, where as i meant it as the foundation of the user experience.

well don't call it DOS then, because it isn't DOS.

The software known as "Disk Operating System" no longer exists.

it is now. "Windows" with command shell access.
This command shell does not run isolated from the host operating system and relies on it fully.

[Philll]

So when Windows came along and replaced it, it never existed in Windows?

[power]

Originally Posted by Philll

So when Windows came along and replaced it, it never existed in Windows?

only 9x had real DOS, current DOS is a VM.

[SpudBoy]

Originally Posted by Philll

So when Windows came along and replaced it, it never existed in Windows?

i said it no longer exists not never existed


let me break it down for you to understand.

OS level ==> Application level.

DOS ==> Windows 3.1
DOS ==> Windows 95
DOS ==> Windows 98
Win2k+ ==> Command shell

[DavidRa]

Originally Posted by Philll

So when Windows came along and replaced it, it never existed in Windows?

Sorry, but the last time DOS was the foundation of Windows was Windows for Workgroups 3.11. Yes, that far back.

Windows 95 was not running on DOS; it was a true 32-bit OS and a complete departure from the DOS+Windows genre of the past. It matured to become Windows 95 OSR2, Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and then tripped over itself, fell on its face, shat itself and entered the geriatric stage (Windows ME). You could tell because the computer booted straight to Windows - no command prompt at which you ran "WIN" to start the windowing environment. AUTOEXEC.BAT could be empty. CONFIG.SYS was irrelevant unless you wanted drivers for the DOS VM.

Windows NT was the platform-independent architecture that gave us Windows 2000, Win XP, and led to Vista, 7 and 8. "DOS" on these platforms was actually NTVDM.EXE. Run "COMMAND" and you get the DOS command interpreter running inside NTVDM. Try it now - Win7 Start > Run > COMMAND - and TaskMgr shows you that it's running NTVDM.EXE and CONHOST.EXE to support it.

None of those are based on DOS, although almost all of them make available the same interfaces so that DOS applications can run.

[SpudBoy]

Originally Posted by DavidRa

Windows 95 was not running on DOS

it was a 32bit extension to a 16bit OS.

it was running on DOS, used DOS drivers and Required DOS to work.

(technically they called it DOS 7 as it had some features removed and some added)

edit:
but anyway. this is getting way off topic.

[Philll]

Originally Posted by SpudBoy

i said it no longer exists not never existed

I didn't say you did

It was a genuine question

Settle the fuck down.

[DavidRa]

Originally Posted by SpudBoy

it was a 32bit extension to a 16bit OS.

it was running on DOS, used DOS drivers and Required DOS to work.

(technically they called it DOS 7 as it had some features removed and some added)

edit:
but anyway. this is getting way off topic.

Ah, not really. I refer the honourable member to the Windows 95 architectural overview.

Anyway back to topic, I'm using 8 day to day and I have absolutely no trouble with the Metro start page. Hate the apps - but I understand some people will love them (heck I can think of several who would be much happier) and I think it's probably a better paradigm for the tablet. It's just too hard to hit the much smaller targets for maximise/close/move on the tablet with a finger.

In fact the only problem I have is with Virtualbox - if I switch a VM from "Bridged Adapter" to "NAT" the worker process crashes. Everything else has so far been flawless.

[SpudBoy]

yeah, i will pay that.. i did over simplify it.

However the point stands. it required DOS to function and did load from that. in effect changing OS from DOS to Windows.
once you loaded windows it then emulated DOS via a command shell just as later versions did.

The difference being that it actually required DOS to be running before you could start windows.



OT:
Anybody had any luck getting the touchscreen/Bluetooth controllers working on a Samsung 7 series with Win8?

[andyroo54]

Originally Posted by SpudBoy

OT:
Anybody had any luck getting the touchscreen/Bluetooth controllers working on a Samsung 7 series with Win8?

I wonder what tomorrows topic will be in the windows 8 thread..


Touch screen drivers work from the get go for me before it's even installed (ie running from usb stick at setup). Bluetooth wifi etc all work even the motion sensor to determine screen position (vertical/horizontal), even the light sensor drive worked all from the start. I haven't had to install any additional drivers at all.

[SpudBoy]

Originally Posted by andyroo54

I wonder what tomorrows topic will be in the windows 8 thread..


Touch screen drivers work from the get go for me before it's even installed (ie running from usb stick at setup). Bluetooth wifi etc all work even the motion sensor to determine screen position (vertical/horizontal), even the light sensor drive worked all from the start. I haven't had to install any additional drivers at all.

fair enough. must have just been the build i was using - as it didnt detect either.

[andyroo54]

Originally Posted by SpudBoy

fair enough. must have just been the build i was using - as it didnt detect either.

This was the lastest version (release prev x64) just today I did it because the tablet's NIC doesn't work in the dock.. it's the second one that's had this problem, where the dock is fine (if I use another tablet in the dock its fine, so it's not the dock itself) and I've tried 3 different docks too..I've updated the bios etc..and then even tried win 8 just to see, and to wipe it before I send it back..still nothing. So sending back to samsung under warranty, such a pain!

But yeah everything else works on win 8, moreso than win 7, ie lots of the drivers had to be downloaded with win 7, it boggled my mind how they all just work on win 8.

[SpudBoy]

Originally Posted by andyroo54

This was the lastest version (release prev x64) just today I did it because the tablet's NIC doesn't work in the dock.. it's the second one that's had this problem, where the dock is fine (if I use another tablet in the dock its fine, so it's not the dock itself) and I've tried 3 different docks too..I've updated the bios etc..and then even tried win 8 just to see, and to wipe it before I send it back..still nothing. So sending back to samsung under warranty, such a pain!

But yeah everything else works on win 8, moreso than win 7, ie lots of the drivers had to be downloaded with win 7, it boggled my mind how they all just work on win 8.

fair enough - i'll give it another go now that my quota has reset.

[Krinos]

Originally Posted by SpudBoy

fair enough - i'll give it another go now that my quota has reset.

Did you update the bios before you installed W8? The official Samsung instruction page said to update bios in W7 before installing W8, I did and bluetooth and gyro worked from first boot.