I wanna 5d3 already :(

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As long as the new 5dIII battery grip has options for:

GPS
iPad integration (some form of live view via an iOS app)

Rumours are great - bit i wouldn't hold my breath.

[shyoon]

Originally Posted by bubblegoose

*snip*

Look, I wasn't trying to make this into a 5D vs. 5D2 debate. I was trying to illustrate that you don't necessarily need to wait for a 5D3, when a 5D2 or even a 5D will produce awesome results. It's telling that an amateur photographer is desperate for the latest and greatest when a relatively ancient 5D is more than sufficient for many pro photographers, to the point where a certain photographer I know gave her 5D2 to her sister and kept the 5D as her everyday camera. Was it merely because she's a numpty at PS? Possibly (she isn't), but it speaks volumes on just how good the original 5D is considering she's a successful, exhibiting photographer who travels around the world for her job.

[Mr.Phu]

Some people are photographers, other people are tech heads. I'm a tech head. 5D3 me now prease

[bubblegoose]

Originally Posted by shyoon

Look, I wasn't trying to make this into a 5D vs. 5D2 debate. I was trying to illustrate that you don't necessarily need to wait for a 5D3, when a 5D2 or even a 5D will produce awesome results. It's telling that an amateur photographer is desperate for the latest and greatest when a relatively ancient 5D is more than sufficient for many pro photographers, to the point where a certain photographer I know gave her 5D2 to her sister and kept the 5D as her everyday camera. Was it merely because she's a numpty at PS? Possibly (she isn't), but it speaks volumes on just how good the original 5D is considering she's a successful, exhibiting photographer who travels around the world for her job.

My grandfather still uses a PC that has windows 95 on it to type letters, write/check emails and browse the web. Still uses dial up and a bubblejet printer.

Some people are just set in their way's and are happy about the way they do things.

just means they can't handle change. No necessarily one thing is better than the other.

And I agree, the 5D2 is fine. Upgrading wont necessarily get you better photos.

[Goobers]

I do plan to involve myself Heavily in small movie production over the next 12 months, I already have a Music video shoot lined up in July in NewZealand or all places, and what Im hoping is that the 5d3 or equivalent becomes the canon video flagship body, the 7d goes great guns for what I've done so far, but there is features it doesn't have that I would absolutely love like nothing else, specifically (not that its going to happen) 50fps @ 1080p, at the moment it only does 50fps @720 if I remember correctly.

and nothing would make me happier to see the digital jelly effect (lag when changing directions quickly) take a hike, I really hope they will add this to the 5d3, as well as adding more video features to the next 5D, I know the 60D even has some more useful videographic features than even the 7d, so every new body upgrades on its predecessor, even if not in the same model line.

As well as some handy photographic improvements, full frame + the 7D's AF system or better will be enough for me on that side of things.

[FranchiseJuan]

Originally Posted by kit

I'm really interested in this... did they say how the IQ was better in the 5D than the 5D2?

The 5D original is less noisy per pixel at ISO 400 and under, and also has better dynamic range. The 5D original so has better highlight recovery (around 2 stops) compared to the 5D2 (just over 1 stop), and the 5D2 has more of a tendency to blow out highlights. The colour rendition straight out of camera also tends to be slightly different between the two cameras.

Originally Posted by Goobers

and nothing would make me happier to see the digital jelly effect (lag when changing directions quickly) take a hike,

Unless they invent a new way of reading information from CMOS sensors, shuttering will be a way of life on these cameras for the next few years at least.

[insular]

i was also waiting for the 5dmk3 but the 550D is so amateur to me now i might get a 7d in the interim (inspired by the talk in this thread)

how much can this go for locally? DWI has it for $1600 with flakey customs documentation so no GST.

however, id be willing to buy local if they can do it for around $17-1800 cos i can get TRS on my way out of AU soon.

fuck, i hate you all, you've got me salivating now.

[Goobers]

Originally Posted by insular

i was also waiting for the 5dmk3 but the 550D is so amateur to me now i might get a 7d in the interim (inspired by the talk in this thread)

how much can this go for locally? DWI has it for $1600 with flakey customs documentation so no GST.

however, id be willing to buy local if they can do it for around $17-1800 cos i can get TRS on my way out of AU soon.

fuck, i hate you all, you've got me salivating now.

Bought mine off DWI for $1300 pre japan, they went up a lot, and because of that their closer in price to Aus stock, however Aus is still expensive.

[jesh]

Originally Posted by shyoon

I know a few photographers who prefer the original 5D over the Mark 2, largely due to the image quality. Just something to think about OP...

I use my 5D more than my mk2. I've never sat and pixel peeped identical images or googled it, but I just prefer images from the original over my 5d2.

5D3 is meh for me. Is there really room for a step between the 5-series and 1-series? Between the features and the price point, if I was going to get something just under a 1...well, I'd just get the 1-series and be done with it.

[smorter]

Originally Posted by Dropbear

a 5dII with 7D autofocusing? yes pls..

I can haz now?

No thanks! We shouldn't settle for a 2nd tier AF system

Nothing short of the 1 series AF in the 5D3 would be acceptable - if the 4 year old obsolete, half the price D300 and D700 can do it, so can the 5D3

[smorter]

Originally Posted by FranchiseJuan

The 5D original is less noisy per pixel at ISO 400 and under, and also has better dynamic range. The 5D original so has better highlight recovery (around 2 stops) compared to the 5D2 (just over 1 stop), and the 5D2 has more of a tendency to blow out highlights. The colour rendition straight out of camera also tends to be slightly different between the two cameras.

My experience has been that it's the differences between DIGIC II and DIGIC IV

Here's an unscientific test:

5D2 vs 5D, manual WB set in DPP, identical exposure, all parameters to zero, identical picture style

[smorter]

Originally Posted by bubblegoose

I disagree. The Af in the 5D2 works perfectly fine for it's intended purpose. It wasn't designed as a Motorsport or action camera.

However, they would be stupid to not include it if they do update the 5D, as it would't hurt to have a better AF system, Gives you a few more options.

I don't think it is perfectly fine. I think it's charitable to say "it wasn't designed as..." - it's more a case of "it's too crap for..."

For instance - bride walking down aisle, only the centre point is usable so the 5D2 user is disadvantaged because:
- They have to either risk greater OOF using outer points
- Or have to compose loosely and crop post...which means worse IQ and more noise at an image level
- And if they have too long a lens on, e.g. a prime, they have to truncate the bride with a boring composition

[bubblegoose]

5D is for landscapes and studio work. Shooting weddings? Grab a 1 series. My comment still stands

[BMan2]

I still maintain the 5dII is the best camera Canon make at the moment. Excellent file size, excellent low-light noise reproduction. Everything else they've made has better features, but it can't match the image quality - not even the 1d4 and definitely not the 7d.

[FranchiseJuan]

Originally Posted by smorter

My experience has been that it's the differences between DIGIC II and DIGIC IV
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I don't want to really check all your settings and how controlled your testing is, but all I can say is that I spent more than 2 months testing the 5D Mark II and writing the review, and all my results are varified by the other people in the office at the time.

You are of course free to look at the review which is still up along with all my test shots and samples.