AMD's 2012 lines: Komodo, Trinity, and, Krishna/Wichita

[stmok]

This thread is based on what AMD has officially released and third-party leaks of slides. The point is to provide a summary or overview as to what is going on for 2012.

I'll throw various charts in this post. In the next post, I'll try to summarise the information in a more useful (logical) form.


The official AMD slides that were from their CES 2011 presentation back in January...They give you a good overview of what's going on.

Desktops

*Waiting for revised roadmaps*

Notebooks

*Waiting for revised roadmaps*



Charts from other sources
The following are slides from various presentations posted by third-party websites.

From http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...2012-roadmap/1
From http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...detaylandi.htm
From http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...o_Company.html
From http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...r_in_2012.html
From http://www.brightsideofnews.com/prin...14nm-apus.aspx
From http://www.hardware.fr/news/11647/af...lops-2020.html

AMD Codename Decoder
http://blogs.amd.com/work/fadcodenames/
(And official explanation from AMD.)

From http://www.anandtech.com/show/4444/a...n-apu-a8-3500m
From http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...-detaylari.htm
From http://mb.zol.com.cn/240/2405453.html
From http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...i-detaylar.htm
From http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/ite...-7000-official
From http://prohardver.hu/hir/amd_hosszut...l_utiterv.html and
http://www.xtremehardware.it/news/ha...-201109215761/
From http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...k-detaylar.htm
From http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...-detaylari.htm

[stmok]

* DRAFT * => This is based on what we know so far. Its obviously subject to change as new information becomes available.


In 2012, AMD will field two main architectures for all their markets. These will be revised versions of Bulldozer and Bobcat. To avoid confusion, we'll call them Piledriver (2nd gen Bulldozer) and 2nd gen Bobcat.

Desktop

Small Form Factor (Deccan platform)
* Codename: Wichita
* Architecture: 2nd gen Bobcat (Up to 20% better against Ontario)
* Up to 4 cores
* Integrated Graphics: Budget DirectX 11 class GPU (25% better against Ontario)
* DDR3-1600
* Replaces E-series Fusion APUs (Zacate).

Budget (aka: Value or Essential) and Mainstream (Virgo platform)
* Codename: Trinity
* Architecture: Piledriver
* Up to 4 cores
* Socket FM2
* Integrated Graphics: Radeon HD 7000 series "London" (Est: ~Radeon HD 5670 or better?)
* Up to DDR3-2133. (Re-use A75 and A55 chipset from A-series.)
* Replaces A8-35xx, A6-34xx, and A4-33xx series (Llano).

Performance/Enthusiast (Volan platform)
* Codename: Vishera
* Architecture: Piledriver
* Up to 8 cores
* Socket AM3+
* Integrated Graphics: N/A (Discrete CPU)
* Dual-channel DDR3 memory configuration. (Re-use 9xx series chipset)
* Replaces FX-81xx, FX-61xx, and FX-41xx series (Zambezi).

Notebook

Budget (aka: Value or Essential) and Netbooks (Deccan platform)
* Codenames: Krishna and Wichita.
* Architecture: 2nd gen Bobcat (Up to 20% better against Ontario)
* 1 to 4 core variants.
* FT2 BGA package. (Soldered on mainboard.)
* Integrated Graphics: Budget DirectX 11 class GPU (25% better against Ontario); Codenamed "London".
* DDR3-1600
* Replaces E- and C-series Fusion APUs
=> 18W TDP: Wichita replaces E-series. (Zacate)
=> 9W TDP: Krishna replaces C-series. (Ontario)

Tablet (Brazos-T platform)
* Codename: Hondo
* Architecture: 1st gen Bobcat (optimised for lower power use.)
* 2 cores.
* FT1 BGA package. (Soldered on mainboard.)
* Integrated Graphics: Re-used from AMD Z-01 APU. Codename: "Loveland"
* Replaces Z-series Fusion APU
=> Less than 4.5W TDP (Tablets): Hondo replaces Z-series. (AMD Z-01: aka Desna)

Mainstream and Performance (Comal platform)
* Codename: Trinity
* Architecture: Piledriver
* 2 and 4 core variants.
* FS1r2 PGA package.
* Integrated Graphics: Radeon HD 7000 series "London" (Est: ~Radeon HD 5670 or better?)
* DDR3 (Re-use A70M and A60M chipset from A-series.)
* Replaces A-series Fusion APUs (Llano).
=> Trinity replaces A8-35xxM/MX series.
=> Weatherford replaces A6-34xxM/MX series.
=> Richland replaces A4-33xxM/MX series.

Server

1 to 2 Processor Systems
* Codename: Sepang
* Architecture: Piledriver
* Up to 10 cores
* Socket C2012
* PCI-Express 3.0
* Triple-channel DDR3 memory configuration.
* Replaces Opteron 4200-series (Valencia).

2 to 4 Processor Systems
* Codename: Terramar
* Architecture: Piledriver
* Up to 20 cores
* Socket G2012
* PCI-Express 3.0
* Quad-channel DDR3 memory configuration.
* Replaces Opteron 6200-series (Interlagos).

[Dr Evil]

All girl's names.

Be better if it was Lateisha, Fenanay, Latoya & Loquanda

[Autti]

Interesting to see the 2011 Bulldozer server part "Interlagos" has quad channel memory.

Wonder if consumer could go that way (intel are doing it with x79)

[stmok]

I just realised something that I should have noticed earlier; After waddling through all those codenames...AMD has aligned its products to match Intel's release model!

2011 => New Architecture => "Tock"
AMD
=> Bulldozer (32nm) => Zambezi
=> Llano (32nm)
=> Bobcat (40nm) => Zacate, Ontario, and Desna.
Intel
=> Sandy Bridge (32nm)


2012 => Revise Architecture => "Tick"
AMD
=> Enhanced Bulldozer (32nm) => Komodo, and Trinity.
=> Enhanced Bobcat (28nm) => Krishna, Wichita, and Hondo.
Intel
=> Ivy Bridge (22nm)


2013 => New Architecture => "Tock"
AMD
=> Next-Generation Bulldozer (??nm)
=> Next-Generation Bobcat (??nm) => Samara (Tablet Market)
Intel
=> Haswell (22nm)


Although, their manufacturing is slightly out of sync for the Bulldozer side.

AMD is taking a dual source approach for manufacturing their designs...
* TSMC => GPUs and Bobcat-based APUs?
* GlobalFoundries => Bulldozer and mainstream APUs (Llano/Trinity)?

[stmok]

Just a comment about the slide called Evolving the AMD Compute Platform. (In the first post...17th picture from the top).

While the slide itself is from a 2008/2009 presentation, it provides a good summary of AMD's long term intentions.

The following is what I estimate...So take it as a very rough guide OR a grain truckload of salt.

2011: Step 1 Integration
=> APUs: A-series (Llano) and E-/C-/Z-series (Bobcat).

2012: Step 2 Optimization
=> Trinity APU (Speculation: Closely-coupled GPU cores to 2nd gen Bulldozer?)

2013+: Step 3 Exploitation
=> ???...A hybrid processor design that incorporates GPU core technology within the 3rd generation Bulldozer based cores. (There is no longer clear GPU and CPU sections.)

Anything after 2013 is an unknown...
Mainly because the AMD Board fired the very person who came up with this roadmap! former CEO, Dirk Meyer, stepped down due to a disagreement in how the tablet market should be handled. As of this post, they still haven't found anyone to take up the leadership position on a full-time basis. They currently have an interim CEO. (Keeping the seat warm.) ...They're OK until around 2013.

[sanjeevlives]

Originally Posted by Dr Evil

All girl's names.

Be better if it was Lateisha, Fenanay, Latoya & Loquanda

lol *mmm hmmmmmm*

[Autti]

Going to intels tick tock strategy is a very good move.
It will eliminate the problems faced this time round for Bulldozer, that is, a new architecture, and a new process all at the same time.

Obviously though they won't be able to gain any fabricating advantage, as Intel is still 18 months ahead of everyone else.

[stmok]

From http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...s-intel-nvidia

AMD's Leslie Sobon (VP of product and platform marketing) is mentioned for saying...

...in 2014 AMD will ship processors that require discrete graphics cards, though she claimed those ultra high-end chips will only make up two per cent of AMD's business. Sobon also said that AMD has plans to produce an Opteron chip that has a GPU on-die, although it will be completely separate to current Fusion cores.

I guess that's the "Next Generation Bulldozer" (3rd gen)
=> Bulldozer + iGPU (for GPGPU roles) + dGPU (for graphical roles).

iGPU = integrated.
dGPU = discrete video card.

I wonder if the iGPU in the 3rd gen will be based on the newer GPU architecture they've been talking about for their upcoming 28nm GPUs. (VLIW4 + Scalar => Vector + Scalar).
=> http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphic...PUs-and-Beyond

[stmok]

From Chinese website...
Original => http://tech.163.com/digi/11/0702/12/...T00162OUT.html
Google Translated => http://translate.google.com/translat...T.html&act=url

Someone has been digging around in the preview version of the Catalyst 11.7 driver. There are multiple entries to AMD's future Trinity APU. (Initial basic support for the hardware?)

652, TRINITY MOBILE (9900), 0x9900, 0x1002, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, FUSION TRINITY, 0x0, NONE, 0x6, 0x0, 0x04, 0x1

653, TRINITY DESKTOP (9901), 0x9901, 0x1002, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, FUSION TRINITY, 0x0, NONE, 0x6, 0x0, 0x04, 0x1

654, TRINITY DESKTOP (9903), 0x9903, 0x1002, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, FUSION TRINITY, 0x0, NONE, 0x6, 0x0, 0x04, 0x1

655, TRINITY DESKTOP (9904), 0x9904, 0x1002, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, FUSION TRINITY, 0x0, NONE, 0x6, 0x0, 0x04, 0x1

656, TRINITY DEVASTATOR DUO (990F), 0x990F, 0x1002, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, FUSION TRINITY, 0x0, NONE, 0x6, 0x0, 0x04, 0x1

657, TRINITY MOBILE (9990), 0x9990, 0x1002, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, FUSION TRINITY, 0x0, NONE, 0x6, 0x0, 0x04, 0x1

658, TRINITY DESKTOP (9991), 0x9991, 0x1002, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, FUSION TRINITY, 0x0, NONE, 0x6, 0x0, 0x04, 0x1

What the heck is TRINITY DEVASTATOR DUO? Dual GPU on same die? Crossfire configuration?

As well, if you look here...



...You can see the Radeon HD 64xx series is dead. AMD is raising the bar on GPU performance on the budget end of the market.

[stmok]

Minor update.

Website DonanımHaber.com has leaked out three slides regarding AMD's path to the tablet market. You can see these in the first post of this thread. (The last three charts).

2011 => Desna
2012 => Hondo
2013 => Samara

To keep costs low as possible, the 2012 tablet platform (Brazos-T), seems to be nothing more than a more power optimised revision of what they're releasing in 2011.

Unless its a typo, it looks like the tablet version in 2012 won't be made in 28nm (unlike Krishna and Wichita)...It'll still be 40nm from TSMC.

The primary motivation is low cost, low power, and mass production to dive into the tablet market...This is to coincide with Windows 8 release.

[IMtech]

Originally Posted by stmok

...You can see the Radeon HD 64xx series is dead. AMD is raising the bar on GPU performance on the budget end of the market.

I think this is because a HD 6400 class GPU (or better) will be integrated on all upcoming low and mid-range CPUs from 2012 onward, so no point making cards that would be equal to or lower than the integrated GPU me thinks...

[loophole]

Originally Posted by stmok

Mainly because the AMD Board fired the very person who came up with this roadmap! former CEO, Dirk Meyer, stepped down due to a disagreement in how the tablet market should be handled. As of this post, they still haven't found anyone to take up the leadership position on a full-time basis. They currently have an interim CEO. (Keeping the seat warm.) ...They're OK until around 2013.

Off topic (apologies), but have we heard what Dirk is doing now?

[vid_ghost]

Looking for a job!

[Mensuri]

with his - what $17mil payout - i dont think he'd need to do much at all if he didn't want to