AMD's 2012 lines: Komodo, Trinity, and, Krishna/Wichita

[AEKaBeer]

Originally Posted by Digit

Any update on when we'll see Trinity hit these shores?

Looking at getting the A10 for a media centre, should take care of most basic games as well as HD Video recording/encoding/blu-rays right?

IIRC the OEM's are getting them in now for the US back to school period, we should see them in retail stores early August.
As for what they can handle so long as you get the quad core model the performance will be able to do all you've listed, the dual core model looks very weak. LINKY

[AEKaBeer]

Looks like pccasegear.com has trinity listed, no FM2 boards yet though.

[Asteroid]

Originally Posted by AEKaBeer

Looks like pccasegear.com has trinity listed, no FM2 boards yet though.

I only see FM1 Llano and AM3 cpus.

[AEKaBeer]

My mistake, I misread "triple core fusion" as "trinity core fusion" sorry all.

[stmok]

Wait until August/Sept.

[stmok]

AMD Desktop Trinity Update: Now With Core i3 And A8-3870K
=> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-apu,3241.html

We update our first look at AMD's A6, A8, and A8 Trinity-based APUs with numbers from an A8-3870K, Core i3-2100, and Core i3-2105. The new results give us a much better idea of how the upcoming architecture will fare in productivity apps and games.

[Digit]

Thanks Stmok

[stmok]

The basic gist from the Tom's Hardware article...

It looks like Piledriver needs to be clocked ~1Ghz more, in order to be approx on-par (overall) with Sandy Bridge performance. Core i3 is dual core with HT, but no turbo.

...At least the version in Trinity (since it doesn't have L3 cache).


If AMD can clock up a bit more with Vishera, I guess we'll see the AM3+ platform nibble at the heels of Ivy Bridge. (It'll still lose, but the gap will be much closer.)

Regardless, it would be a good thing (for us) if AMD can provoke Intel into some price drops later in the year.


The more I look at Trinity APU, the more I see it as suitable for the market of consumers that don't upgrade their systems. ie: The majority that buy an OEM system, use it until it fails, and then replace it with something new.

[bobbth]

Originally Posted by stmok

The basic gist from the Tom's Hardware article...

It looks like Piledriver needs to be clocked ~1Ghz more, in order to be approx on-par (overall) with Sandy Bridge performance. Core i3 is dual core with HT, but no turbo.

...At least the version in Trinity (since it doesn't have L3 cache).


If AMD can clock up a bit more with Vishera, I guess we'll see the AM3+ platform nibble at the heels of Ivy Bridge. (It'll still lose, but the gap will be much closer.)

Regardless, it would be a good thing (for us) if AMD can provoke Intel into some price drops later in the year.

It'll be great to see a chip from AMD that can give somewhat close-to-competitive performance, it will be interesting to see if the 83xx can threaten the 2500/3570k as the budget chip of choice (much like the 955 did to the i5 750). I don't think we're going to see any changes in terms of the high end enthusiast market, the 83xx will be doing extremely well to match even the lowest quad core i5.

This year won't be AMD's year, we won't see much of a market change (trinity will replace llano and vishera will replace whatever market share bulldozer had) , Intel will continue to dominate until at least Mid-2013, I honestly don't know what to expect from Amd in 2013.

[stmok]

Originally Posted by bobbth

...I honestly don't know what to expect from Amd in 2013.

For 2013...

* Jaguar APUs (28nm) => Tablets, Budget computing, Small Form-Factor, Ultra-thin notebook, etc. (2 to 4 cores)

* Steamroller APUs (28nm) => Game console (PS4?), Mainstream notebook/desktop. (Up to 4 cores)

* Steamroller CPUs (28nm) => Top-end server processor; greater than 8 cores.

* Piledriver CPUs (32nm) => Enthusiast platform stays with AM3+ for 2013. So expect "product refreshes" of Vishera. Won't see Steamroller (28nm) until 2014 with new socket format. I highly suspect it will be an APU, given the lower end of the server roadmap (which includes AM3+ version of Opteron), clearly indicates this direction.


The overall general direction of AMD is to offer "sufficiently competitive" (read on-par) CPU performance, supplemented by GPGPU. Everything but the top-end servers will be purely CPUs (From 2013 onwards). AMD's approach will eventually involve seamless use of CPU and GPU technologies that dynamically switch based on user's workload. It depends on the tools that AMD provides to software developers.


On the Intel side...

* Haswell and its evolved IGP solution.
=> Rumours indicate there is a Level 4 cache expressly for the IGP in order to alleviate bandwidth issues for the top-end GT3 model. (Which is likely to be assigned to notebook and desktop "K" versions like the current Intel HD4000.)
=> Adds AVX 2 and various tweaks on CPU side.

* On the Atom line, they'll bring "Valley View". Up to quad-core. This is a 22nm version with Ivy Bridge based IGP. (Throwing away that nonsensical PowerVR IGP they've got on the current Atom "Cedar Trail" series)...It'll still be in-order execution as they're doing nothing more than doing a die-shrink of the current "Cedar Trail" x86 side to 22nm 3D transistor process.


The direction of Intel is slightly different...

(1) Continue on evolving the CPU performance in an incremental fashion.
(2) Xeon Phi (ex-Larabee); x86 architecture for GPGPU applications.
(3) Intel in-house IGP solutions.

...Eventually, they'll blend these three into their own APU-style solution. Think a System-on-Chip that is made from "less than 10nm" process node with three distinct sections: x86 main processor, x86 GPGPU processing elements, and IGP.

In theory, Intel's approach is easier to work with in terms of a unified x86 approach to CPU and GPGPU. The only thing that holds them back is the drivers for their IGP.



Its difficult to tell which would play out well in the long run. I guess it will depend on software developer adoption.

[stmok]

AMD FX-8350 is a 4.0GHz eight-core
=> http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27...ghz-eight-core

* Expected to launch in late October (Delayed from Q3 to Q4).
* Eight-core with 16MB cache.
* 4Ghz stock, 4.2Ghz turbo.
* TDP: 125W

[Digit]

Originally Posted by stmok

Its difficult to tell which would play out well in the long run. I guess it will depend on software developer adoption.

I think that if that's the case, Intel is far more likely to succeed, purely because it is dominating the market, not just in performace, but advertising too. When was the last time you saw an AMD ad that wasn't from Harvey Norman. Everyone know's what an Intel processor is, or at least they know they have Intel in that box thing called a computer.

I would say that AMD has a possibly bright future because of the traction the APU lines are getting with the OEM's, but right now everything is Ultrabook Ultrabook Ultrabook tablet and mobile, AMD is in none of these (at the moment, though i suspect their licensing ARM could be a move into this direction, despite the fact they claim they're only going to use the chips for security, let's see how that stands up in 3-4 years).

[AEKaBeer]

Originally Posted by stmok

AMD FX-8350 is a 4.0GHz eight-core

* Expected to launch in late October (Delayed from Q3 to Q4).
* Eight-core with 16MB cache.
* 4Ghz stock, 4.2Ghz turbo.
* TDP: 125W

Saw this earlier but taking it with a grain of salt due to the 200mhz turbo, anything less than a 10% boost will come across as too small an increase for a top of the line cpu.

[stmok]

Originally Posted by AEKaBeer

Saw this earlier but taking it with a grain of salt due to the 200mhz turbo, anything less than a 10% boost will come across as too small an increase for a top of the line cpu.

AMD trying to stay within the 125W TDP spec?


More grains of salt...
=> http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27...expected-in-q3

FX-8350 => 4.0GHz stock; 4.2GHz Turbo
FX-6300 => 3.8GHz stock; 4.1GHz Turbo
FX-4320 => 4.2GHz stock; 4.3GHz Turbo

[itsmydamnation]

Originally Posted by stmok

AMD trying to stay within the 125W TDP spec?


More grains of salt...
=> http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27...expected-in-q3

FX-8350 => 4.0GHz stock; 4.2GHz Turbo
FX-6300 => 3.8GHz stock; 4.1GHz Turbo
FX-4320 => 4.2GHz stock; 4.3GHz Turbo

so yuo can hit 4ghz on 8 cores but only 4.2 on one....... yeah not likely......