AMD's 2012 lines: Komodo, Trinity, and, Krishna/Wichita - Page 3

stmok · 26th August 2011, 11:43 AM

Not hardware related, leadership related...

AMD Names Rory P. Read President and CEO
=> http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...md-1553699.htm

As of 25th August, AMD has a new CEO effective immediately.

Quote:

About Rory P. Read

Rory P. Read spent five years at Lenovo. During his tenure as President and COO, Read led a global business turnaround that resulted in record market share gains, strong revenue growth and significant improvements in operating income.

Prior to Lenovo, Read spent 23 years at IBM where he held a broad range of management positions. While at IBM, Read consistently grew revenues while significantly improving the operating profitability for the groups under his management:

* As Managing Partner for IBM's Business Consulting Services Division, Read led the division through a turnaround that significantly improved gross margins, drove new customer acquisitions and generated double digit revenue growth and operating profitability.

* As Executive Vice President of Global Business Transformation, IBM Global Services, Read was responsible for worldwide leadership of IT initiatives and Business Transformation across the $45 billion business.

* As General Manager, Business Consulting Services, Asia Pacific, Read was the senior executive leader for IBM's $3.5 billion consulting services organization in Asia Pacific. He was responsible for driving significant customer and revenue growth while also improving gross margin and successfully leading the integration of PricewaterhouseCoopers.

Read graduated Magna Cum Laude with a bachelor's degree in Information Systems from Hartwick College.

...So AMD's future roadmap is now up to this guy. Time will tell on his effectiveness.

stmok · 31st August 2011, 12:11 PM

Update: GlobalFoundries released a slide with some relevant info regarding 2012 Trinity line. (Nothing major)

* Trinity is 2nd generation A-series. (Nothing new)
* IGP is now Radeon HD 7000 series.
* IGP is "up to 50% increase in gigaflop performance" over current A-series IGP. (GPGPU)
* CPU cores are codenamed Piledriver. (Nothing new)
* Virgo is codename of Desktop platform. (Nothing new)
* Comal is codename of Notebook platform. (Nothing new)

stmok · 7th September 2011, 4:19 PM

Rumour
* Take the following with a serious grain of salt. Mainly because the slides aren't from AMD.
(Not leaked out from AMD presentations that require their audience to sign an NDA. Someone created them based on their sources.)

* Also bare in mind, the rumours of one source may contradict with another. (That's why they're rumours!)

(1) Fellow OCAU forum-er Loophole has pointed out a Japanese site has some new info...
=> http://wccftech.com/amd-bulldozer-en...-trinity-apus/

Original source: http://www.4gamer.net/games/110/G011065/20100526093/

The basic gist...
* Komodo has been revised to support Socket AM3+ and up to 8 cores.
(Official leaked info said it will be Socket FM2 and up to 10 cores.)
* Trinity supports DDR3-2133.
* They say Trinity's CPU side will be up to 20% better than a same priced Llano.
* They also say Trinity's on-die GPU will be 30% better than Llano's. (Gaming performance.)
* A new chipset for Trinity will support Eyefinity multi-display feature.

(2) Loophole also points out another source, but this doesn't have any slides...
=> http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...New_Chips.html

Summary...
* Komodo has been canceled in favour of Vishera.
* Vishera will be up to 8 cores and support Socket AM3+.
* The respective platform codenames have also been updated: from Corona to Volan (Supposedly, a refresh of the upcoming Scorpius platform.)
* Vishera is said to be coming in Q3, 2012.

The only consistent thing about both bits of info, is that AMD has changed Zambezi's (upcoming FX-series) successor to support Socket AM3+. So there may be a long term path with that format...

...Still, take it all with a grain of salt! At least until another AMD slide has been released to confirm or deny things. AMD has a Financial Analyst Day on the 2nd week of November. They're bound to release some roadmap info for their investors.

stmok · 10th September 2011, 1:08 AM

Small bit of news. According to this...
=> http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...12_Source.html

Trinity APU is planned for Q2 2012.
(Right smack in the same period as Intel's LGA1155 Ivy Bridge.)

The Hudson D4 chipset will be marketed as A85FX.
(Previous ones are A55 and A75).

...Something with Xbitlabs's info doesn't add up.

* Hudson D4 (A85FX) was supposed to be for Komodo CPU.
* A55 and A75 was to be re-used for Trinity APU.

I guess we should flag this under take it with a grain of salt.

Hyram · 10th September 2011, 8:42 PM

... And yet, still no real meat about what AMD are doing with their ARM licence, apart from the fact that NVIDIA's Denver scared the bejeebus out of them last January and that a week later they had a licence and there was a new project under the name 'Condor'. A veiled reference to something based around the as-yet-unfinalised 64-bit 'Eagle' ARM core, perhaps?

With the High Performance Computing people champing at the bit to get their hands on NV's Tegra 3, Windows 8 promised for ARM, and even Apple strongly rumoured to shift their entire product range to ARM multicores, I think we're going to be seeing a decline in further development of the x86/x64 architecture in the near future.

stmok · 10th September 2011, 11:30 PM

Despite owning an ARM license, AMD isn't going to do anything with it. Just look at their response to the tablet market...Low power (5W to 6W) versions of Bobcat-based APUs.

2011 => Desna
2012 => Hondo
2013 => Samara

Nvidia needs to do something because they got squeezed out of the x86 market. Project Denver was supposed to do x86 code. Negotiations failed with Intel, so they changed it to ARM 64bit.

I don't see developers walking away from x86/x64 and jumping onto ARM. I see them writing multi-platform code that will allow their software solutions to be compiled on both platforms. (Make money by catering to more markets.) ...Its not an "either", "or" situation.

Meanwhile, since AMD has a strategic partnership with IBM on the manufacturing technology side, I figure this recent IBM-3M announcement would be interesting...

stmok · 15th September 2011, 9:14 PM

Proving that AMD engineers aren't resting on their laurels...

Look Out Bulldozer, Here Comes Trinity: AMD's 2012 Demo on Video at IDF
=> http://www.anandtech.com/show/4813/l...n-video-at-idf

This is with "alpha level" silicon and drivers.
Meaning => Nothing has been optimised. It isn't running at its planned performance. Etc, etc. Its just to show that it works.

(Video from article)

stmok · 21st September 2011, 10:03 PM

Be advised: Mobile roadmap leaked out.

* Trinity APU is planned to be introduced in Q1 2012. (Likely to be March-ish, because production is scheduled in January.)

* The plan is to have Trinity APU line completely replace the current Llano based line by Q2. (April to June).

* Also in Q2 will be the introduction of the 2nd generation Bobcat based Wichita and Krishna APUs.

* Looks like there's going to be some overlap between A4-series and E-series APUs with Wichita APUs.

The third generation discussion will be found in my AMD 2013 lines thread. (Please stick to the thread topic. Talk about 2nd gen here and 3rd gen in other link.)

stmok · 23rd September 2011, 4:18 PM

AMD Announces Next Financial Analyst Day: February 2012
=> http://www.anandtech.com/show/4860/a...-february-2012

They used to be in November. The next one is in Feb?

The CEO must have a new roadmap. (?)

stmok · 27th September 2011, 12:51 AM

This may be the new roadmap for 2012...

From http://www.techpowerup.com/152653/Vi...n-3Q-2012.html

...It looks like the Piledriver-based 2nd generation A-series and FX-series is 6 to 9 months away (respectively).

mugginz · 27th September 2011, 1:20 AM

Bulldozer to be succeeded by Vishera core
bulldozer-to-be-succeeded-by-vishera-core

From the article....

Quote:

The good news for AM3+ lovers, Vishera CPUs will continue the AM3+ transition and they should fit in existing FX 990 boards. The chipset of choice is a mixture of AMD 990FX and SB 950 southbridge with PCIe 2.0, Crossfire X support, USB 2.0, 4x 1PCI 2.0 and SATA 6Gb/s. there is no mention of official native USB 3.0 support for this chipset.

...And in slightly older news.....
I wonder if there's any truth in the following?

amd-cancels-komodo-cpu-and-corona-platform

Rumourville brewing

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According to the post over at Xbitlabs.com, it looks like AMD's 2012 Komodo CPU and the Corona platform has gone the way of the Dodo bird and left its place to new Vishera CPUs and the Volan platform.

AMD_Cancels_Next_Gen_Komodo_Processor_Corona_Platf orm_in_Favour_of_New_Chips

AMD Cancels Next-Gen Komodo Processor, Corona Platform in Favour of New Chips.
AMD's Readies Vishera CPUs, Volan Platform as Next-Gen Desktop

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Advanced Micro Devices has altered its high-end desktop product plans for next year and cancelled its Komodo central processing unit (CPU) with eight or ten processing cores as well as canned Corona platform. The modified roadmap of AMD includes Vishera microprocessors with up to eight cores as well as Volan/Scrorpius refresh platform.

Edit: I hope the rumours of Komodo being canned is crap. It'd be pure win if it was just a case that AMD will release updated 2nd gen Bulldozer cores for the AM3+ platform as Vishera in addition to releasing the FM2 Komodo stuff as well. That'd give some legs to the AM3+ platform as well as releasing a new platform with the possibility of higher performance still.

stmok · 27th September 2011, 2:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mugginz

Edit: I hope the rumours of Komodo being canned is crap.

Its becoming more likely that Komodo got shit-canned in favour of the more Socket AM3+ friendly Vishera.

* AMD Financial Analyst Day (where the CEO briefs its shareholders on their future direction), has been pushed from November this year to Feb next year...Which leads me to believe the new AMD CEO has a new roadmap.

* 1st Gen Bulldozer only lasts for 9 months. They would anger a lot of folks who have invested AM3+ infrastructure, if they don't keep it going for another year with Vishera. (It'll make more sense when 2013 comes around with the third-gen Steamroller core. By then, its more justified for new architecture requiring a new mobo.)

* I suspect the 2nd gen Piledriver won't be anything super-duper or major in changes. It'll likely be a tweaked design on a more matured 32nm SOI process. (Essentially addressing weaknesses of the 1st gen as well as GlobalFoundries having more 32nm SOI production capacity)...It could explain why AMD can work on Trinity so quickly; most of the hard work has been done.

I guess we'll have to wait until AMD's Financial Analyst Day in Feb 2012, to confirm/deny if Komodo really got shit-canned.

mugginz · 27th September 2011, 2:20 AM

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Originally Posted by stmok

* 1st Gen Bulldozer only lasts for 9 months. They would anger a lot of folks who have invested AM3+ infrastructure, if they don't keep it going for another year with Vishera. (It'll make more sense when 2013 comes around with the third-gen Steamroller core. By then, its more justified for new architecture requiring a new mobo.)

They could release Komodo as well as Vishera and keep both camps happy.

When Vishera's released, those with Zambezi will still be looking at their gear and be thinking it's been superseded. They could put off Komodo and release concurrently with Vishera and those looking for the 10 core chips would be happy and those not wanting to buy new mobos could do a simple CPU swap to an updated part.

Oh AMD, you've done it again.

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Originally Posted by stmok

* I suspect the 2nd gen Piledriver won't be anything super-duper or major in changes. It'll likely be a tweaked design on a more matured 32nm SOI process. (Essentially addressing weaknesses of the 1st gen as well as GlobalFoundries having more 32nm SOI production capacity)...It could explain why AMD can work on Trinity so quickly; most of the hard work has been done.

The assumptions are though that Piledriver will have a worthwhile speed increase. I guess we still get Piledriver with Vishera, it'll just be speaking to the rest of the world through an AM3+ socket and not an FM2 platform. (and be shy of two extra cores)

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Originally Posted by stmok

I guess we'll have to wait until AMD's Financial Analyst Day in Feb 2012, to confirm/deny if Komodo really got shit-canned.

/me waits and hopes my patience doesn't run out

loophole · 27th September 2011, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by stmok

I guess we'll have to wait until AMD's Financial Analyst Day in Feb 2012, to confirm/deny if Komodo really got shit-canned.

What ever happened to AMD's Technology Analyst Day? Years ago I recall them having it separately to the Financial Analyst Day and they were usually fairly good...

loophole · 27th September 2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mugginz

They could release Komodo as well as Vishera and keep both camps happy.

When Vishera's released, those with Zambezi will still be looking at their gear and be thinking it's been superseded. They could put off Komodo and release concurrently with Vishera and those looking for the 10 core chips would be happy and those not wanting to buy new mobos could do a simple CPU swap to an updated part.

I think releasing two separate platforms for the high-end (or mainstream high-end if you like

) would be too much for AMD. They've already got two platforms with AM3+ and FM1, three if you include their BGA FT1 used for Brazos.

That's a lot more engineering and platform qualification effort that has to be passed on to OEMs and motherboard makers which they wouldn't like.

Just my 2c

31st August 2011, 12:11 PM	#32
stmok Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 8,889	Update: GlobalFoundries released a slide with some relevant info regarding 2012 Trinity line. (Nothing major) * Trinity is 2nd generation A-series. (Nothing new) * IGP is now Radeon HD 7000 series. * IGP is "up to 50% increase in gigaflop performance" over current A-series IGP. (GPGPU) * CPU cores are codenamed Piledriver. (Nothing new) * Virgo is codename of Desktop platform. (Nothing new) * Comal is codename of Notebook platform. (Nothing new) __________________ "Haters gonna hate." => "I have no logical rebuttal to your criticism so I'm going to say something simple and meaningless to make myself feel better."-crabjokeman from Techreport.com forums. "The politicians don’t just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless."-James Dale Davidson.

7th September 2011, 4:19 PM	#33
stmok Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 8,889	Rumour * Take the following with a serious grain of salt. Mainly because the slides aren't from AMD. (Not leaked out from AMD presentations that require their audience to sign an NDA. Someone created them based on their sources.) * Also bare in mind, the rumours of one source may contradict with another. (That's why they're rumours!) (1) Fellow OCAU forum-er Loophole has pointed out a Japanese site has some new info... => http://wccftech.com/amd-bulldozer-en...-trinity-apus/ Original source: http://www.4gamer.net/games/110/G011065/20100526093/ The basic gist... * Komodo has been revised to support Socket AM3+ and up to 8 cores. (Official leaked info said it will be Socket FM2 and up to 10 cores.) * Trinity supports DDR3-2133. * They say Trinity's CPU side will be up to 20% better than a same priced Llano. * They also say Trinity's on-die GPU will be 30% better than Llano's. (Gaming performance.) * A new chipset for Trinity will support Eyefinity multi-display feature. (2) Loophole also points out another source, but this doesn't have any slides... => http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...New_Chips.html Summary... * Komodo has been canceled in favour of Vishera. * Vishera will be up to 8 cores and support Socket AM3+. * The respective platform codenames have also been updated: from Corona to Volan (Supposedly, a refresh of the upcoming Scorpius platform.) * Vishera is said to be coming in Q3, 2012. The only consistent thing about both bits of info, is that AMD has changed Zambezi's (upcoming FX-series) successor to support Socket AM3+. So there may be a long term path with that format... ...Still, take it all with a grain of salt! At least until another AMD slide has been released to confirm or deny things. AMD has a Financial Analyst Day on the 2nd week of November. They're bound to release some roadmap info for their investors. __________________ "Haters gonna hate." => "I have no logical rebuttal to your criticism so I'm going to say something simple and meaningless to make myself feel better."-crabjokeman from Techreport.com forums. "The politicians don’t just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless."-James Dale Davidson.

10th September 2011, 1:08 AM	#34
stmok Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 8,889	Small bit of news. According to this... => http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...12_Source.html Trinity APU is planned for Q2 2012. (Right smack in the same period as Intel's LGA1155 Ivy Bridge.) The Hudson D4 chipset will be marketed as A85FX. (Previous ones are A55 and A75). ...Something with Xbitlabs's info doesn't add up. * Hudson D4 (A85FX) was supposed to be for Komodo CPU. * A55 and A75 was to be re-used for Trinity APU. I guess we should flag this under take it with a grain of salt. __________________ "Haters gonna hate." => "I have no logical rebuttal to your criticism so I'm going to say something simple and meaningless to make myself feel better."-crabjokeman from Techreport.com forums. "The politicians don’t just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless."-James Dale Davidson. Last edited by stmok; 10th September 2011 at 1:12 AM.

10th September 2011, 11:30 PM	#36
stmok Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 8,889	Despite owning an ARM license, AMD isn't going to do anything with it. Just look at their response to the tablet market...Low power (5W to 6W) versions of Bobcat-based APUs. 2011 => Desna 2012 => Hondo 2013 => Samara Nvidia needs to do something because they got squeezed out of the x86 market. Project Denver was supposed to do x86 code. Negotiations failed with Intel, so they changed it to ARM 64bit. I don't see developers walking away from x86/x64 and jumping onto ARM. I see them writing multi-platform code that will allow their software solutions to be compiled on both platforms. (Make money by catering to more markets.) ...Its not an "either", "or" situation. Meanwhile, since AMD has a strategic partnership with IBM on the manufacturing technology side, I figure this recent IBM-3M announcement would be interesting... __________________ "Haters gonna hate." => "I have no logical rebuttal to your criticism so I'm going to say something simple and meaningless to make myself feel better."-crabjokeman from Techreport.com forums. "The politicians don’t just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless."-James Dale Davidson.

15th September 2011, 9:14 PM	#37
stmok Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 8,889	Proving that AMD engineers aren't resting on their laurels... Look Out Bulldozer, Here Comes Trinity: AMD's 2012 Demo on Video at IDF => http://www.anandtech.com/show/4813/l...n-video-at-idf This is with "alpha level" silicon and drivers. Meaning => Nothing has been optimised. It isn't running at its planned performance. Etc, etc. Its just to show that it works. (Video from article) __________________ "Haters gonna hate." => "I have no logical rebuttal to your criticism so I'm going to say something simple and meaningless to make myself feel better."-crabjokeman from Techreport.com forums. "The politicians don’t just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless."-James Dale Davidson.

10th September 2011, 8:42 PM	#35
Hyram Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 717	... And yet, still no real meat about what AMD are doing with their ARM licence, apart from the fact that NVIDIA's Denver scared the bejeebus out of them last January and that a week later they had a licence and there was a new project under the name 'Condor'. A veiled reference to something based around the as-yet-unfinalised 64-bit 'Eagle' ARM core, perhaps? With the High Performance Computing people champing at the bit to get their hands on NV's Tegra 3, Windows 8 promised for ARM, and even Apple strongly rumoured to shift their entire product range to ARM multicores, I think we're going to be seeing a decline in further development of the x86/x64 architecture in the near future.

21st September 2011, 10:03 PM	#38
stmok Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 8,889	Be advised: Mobile roadmap leaked out. * Trinity APU is planned to be introduced in Q1 2012. (Likely to be March-ish, because production is scheduled in January.) * The plan is to have Trinity APU line completely replace the current Llano based line by Q2. (April to June). * Also in Q2 will be the introduction of the 2nd generation Bobcat based Wichita and Krishna APUs. * Looks like there's going to be some overlap between A4-series and E-series APUs with Wichita APUs. The third generation discussion will be found in my AMD 2013 lines thread. (Please stick to the thread topic. Talk about 2nd gen here and 3rd gen in other link.) __________________ "Haters gonna hate." => "I have no logical rebuttal to your criticism so I'm going to say something simple and meaningless to make myself feel better."-crabjokeman from Techreport.com forums. "The politicians don’t just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless."-James Dale Davidson. Last edited by stmok; 21st September 2011 at 10:11 PM.

23rd September 2011, 4:18 PM	#39
stmok Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 8,889	AMD Announces Next Financial Analyst Day: February 2012 => http://www.anandtech.com/show/4860/a...-february-2012 They used to be in November. The next one is in Feb? The CEO must have a new roadmap. (?) __________________ "Haters gonna hate." => "I have no logical rebuttal to your criticism so I'm going to say something simple and meaningless to make myself feel better."-crabjokeman from Techreport.com forums. "The politicians don’t just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless."-James Dale Davidson.

27th September 2011, 12:51 AM	#40
stmok Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 8,889	This may be the new roadmap for 2012... From http://www.techpowerup.com/152653/Vi...n-3Q-2012.html ...It looks like the Piledriver-based 2nd generation A-series and FX-series is 6 to 9 months away (respectively). __________________ "Haters gonna hate." => "I have no logical rebuttal to your criticism so I'm going to say something simple and meaningless to make myself feel better."-crabjokeman from Techreport.com forums. "The politicians don’t just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless."-James Dale Davidson.