VIC to destroy unreg'd pitbull "lookalikes" from Sept 30 2011 - Page 3

Grimace22 · 31st August 2011, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Urgh at the risk of turning this into a politics crap-fest, yet another knee-jerk reaction from this state government.

What they should have done but probably didn't because it'd be too difficult and long to write the laws out for, is make training classes mandatory for 'dangerous' dogs.

exactly !

Grimace22 · 31st August 2011, 11:18 PM

"pitbulls probably arent the most aggressive dog but they have the power and the instinct to kill, people that essentially train them to be highly vicious are the main problem. but u cant really do anything about it. if anything they should make it mandatory for pit owners to join a club and make them attend meetings once a month or something, that way it will weed out all the ***kheads and only leave owners that love their dog"

What i wrote on a friends facebook about 2 weeks ago, toned down the swearing though

What she said haha
"Should all pitbulls be banned?? NO!!! Fuck!!! Should all men be banned cause a few of them are rapists.....should all catholic priests be banned cause a few of them are rock spiders.....???"

Coopz · 1st September 2011, 8:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HumbleBum

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http://www.dog-obedience-training-on...-by-breed.html

Just to name a few..

Man someone got killed by a Jack Russel...

In all honesty why would you want a pitball? They recieve so much negative press, I know its usually the owner and not the dogs fault but half the people I see walking them look like complete drop kicks. They are like some sort of penis extension for the kid that was bullied at school, I see nothing appealing about the breed which would make me want one.

Akh-Horus · 3rd September 2011, 8:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay

What they should have done but probably didn't because it'd be too difficult and long to write the laws out for, is make training classes mandatory for 'dangerous' dogs.

Good luck getting the scrotes/bogans attending morning sessions.

NigeMar · 3rd September 2011, 11:44 AM

Sometimes the dog is a little disturbed. I met a bull terrier once that was disturbed it didn't end well for either of us. Although I was very lucky that it did very minimal damage.

You can train a dog as much as you like, but sometimes it doesn't help. I don't trust bull terriers much like I don't trust malamutes.

Just my 2c worth.

F1Fan2011 · 3rd September 2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ipex

it's a story on some random site , can anyone can throw together a good story , tell the lie enforce the lie , the lie soon becomes the truth - hitler

yeah because the mainstream media NEVER lies....

Athiril · 3rd September 2011, 12:11 PM

What is this rubbish sideline distraction?

I don't see why they even bother trying to do anything at all. Our government is so inept at providing safety to it's people they should just give up while they are ahead and save the money.

Mitch01 · 3rd September 2011, 12:56 PM

One question: Why would anyone buy a dog to breed/train to be vicious?

I mean maybe if you are a drug dealer or a questionable member of society, but there is no real reason someone would train a dog to be vicious.

If the answer is security, then ask yourself why there never seem to be police dogs, sniffer dogs, or guard patrol dogs that are pitbull/pitbull crosses! This is a question that warrants an answer.

Rotties and German Shepherds get a bad rap, and they are used as police/guard patrol dogs, and yet the attacks from them are far less publicised than those by bull type dogs.

Why? Is it because genetically pitbull dogs are more headstrong and harder to train? Is it because they don't take well to training?

I mean there must be a reason why Rotties and G Sheps are used for police/patrols, and are deemed safe to be used in public behind a skilled trainer, when they are trained.

If pitbull dogs are aggressive, surely they'd make brilliant dogs for the police force to use..

So you have to ask yourself why they aren't.. Does anyone have an answer?

Oh and if we are destroying unregistered pitbull look-a-likes, can we start with this one.

millhouse · 3rd September 2011, 3:11 PM

A vicious dog has no place in Security. Dogs involved in real security work are under control at all times, they don't just attack everything.

The most likley answer for the use of German Shepherds and Rottweilers as "Security" dogs is that it is traditional. I would expect that any decent breeder of Pitbulls would not allow their dogs to be used in these roles anyway - no point re-enforcing the stereotype. In saying that I see no issue with them being used in Security work - they are intelligent dogs that respond well to traiing, like most dogs.

Working on the dogs used at Amberley, Wacol Prison and some of the Brisbane Dog squads, I have seen the breed of choice currently changing towards Malinois. These dogs are magnificent and a little scary.

Dobermans used to be the breed of choice many years ago.

Melzawelza · 3rd September 2011, 3:14 PM

Mitch they aren't used in protection roles because they generally do not want to bite humans. They have been specifically bred AGAINST human aggression. When they are trained in this role they focus too much on the equipment (biting the sleeve) and when you get them in the field they don't want to bite human arms.

The other reason they aren't used in other roles is that thy are restricted in most states and as such are forced to live in a cage or be on leash and muzzled.

In the states they are regularly used in drug detection roles, dog sports and therapy work. They absolutely excel in these roles.

I have so much more to write but really can't be bothered on my iPhone. Will do so tonight.

japes · 3rd September 2011, 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by millhouse

Working on the dogs used at Amberley

Saw a display by these guys (Shephards) on base a few weeks ago, was excellent. Very well controlled dogs.

Not sure where I personally stand on the Pit bull issue, though I do agree a good load of the blame can be placed on the owners. Owning an unregistered dog is just negligent regardless.

B.D.R · 3rd September 2011, 3:50 PM

I'm all for shooting these things, i don't care if its never attacked any one, while your at it you may as well shoot the owner too

I don't understand how ANY one can or could have a dog around children, i don't care kids will be kids and they will pull a dogs ears, it does not give the dog the right to bite the kid, and if it does then it has the right to be put down

I don't think this rule goes far enough, they should ban all dogs in the metro area, there is bugger all reason for them in the city

HumbleBum · 3rd September 2011, 4:03 PM

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Originally Posted by B.D.R

I'm all for shooting these things, i don't care if its never attacked any one, while your at it you may as well shoot the owner too

I don't understand how ANY one can or could have a dog around children, i don't care kids will be kids and they will pull a dogs ears, it does not give the dog the right to bite the kid, and if it does then it has the right to be put down

I don't think this rule goes far enough, they should ban all dogs in the metro area, there is bugger all reason for them in the city

troll..

B.D.R · 3rd September 2011, 4:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HumbleBum

troll..

Maybe, but that is my honest opinion

STINGA · 3rd September 2011, 4:22 PM

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Originally Posted by B.D.R

Maybe, but that is my honest opinion

...and your argument will be it doesn't matter how well you train a dog, they are unpredictable and can attack at any time right?

31st August 2011, 11:18 PM	#32
Grimace22 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Perth Posts: 1,157	"pitbulls probably arent the most aggressive dog but they have the power and the instinct to kill, people that essentially train them to be highly vicious are the main problem. but u cant really do anything about it. if anything they should make it mandatory for pit owners to join a club and make them attend meetings once a month or something, that way it will weed out all the **kheads and only leave owners that love their dog" What i wrote on a friends facebook about 2 weeks ago, toned down the swearing though What she said haha "Should all pitbulls be banned?? NO!!! Fuck!!! Should all men be banned cause a few of them are rapists.....should all catholic priests be banned cause a few of them are rock spiders.....???"* Last edited by Grimace22; 31st August 2011 at 11:21 PM.

3rd September 2011, 11:44 AM	#35
NigeMar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 366	Sometimes the dog is a little disturbed. I met a bull terrier once that was disturbed it didn't end well for either of us. Although I was very lucky that it did very minimal damage. You can train a dog as much as you like, but sometimes it doesn't help. I don't trust bull terriers much like I don't trust malamutes. Just my 2c worth. __________________ My FlickR \| My RedBubble \| My blog

3rd September 2011, 12:11 PM	#37
Athiril Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Carnegie, Melbourne Posts: 3,609	What is this rubbish sideline distraction? I don't see why they even bother trying to do anything at all. Our government is so inept at providing safety to it's people they should just give up while they are ahead and save the money. __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/athiril/ 35mm, 6x7cm, 4x5" Ask me about C-41 & E-6 processing!

3rd September 2011, 12:56 PM	#38
Mitch01 Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 27,454	One question: Why would anyone buy a dog to breed/train to be vicious? I mean maybe if you are a drug dealer or a questionable member of society, but there is no real reason someone would train a dog to be vicious. If the answer is security, then ask yourself why there never seem to be police dogs, sniffer dogs, or guard patrol dogs that are pitbull/pitbull crosses! This is a question that warrants an answer. Rotties and German Shepherds get a bad rap, and they are used as police/guard patrol dogs, and yet the attacks from them are far less publicised than those by bull type dogs. Why? Is it because genetically pitbull dogs are more headstrong and harder to train? Is it because they don't take well to training? I mean there must be a reason why Rotties and G Sheps are used for police/patrols, and are deemed safe to be used in public behind a skilled trainer, when they are trained. If pitbull dogs are aggressive, surely they'd make brilliant dogs for the police force to use.. So you have to ask yourself why they aren't.. Does anyone have an answer? Oh and if we are destroying unregistered pitbull look-a-likes, can we start with this one. __________________ "I think in this world, if you can do something you love as a job and it doesn't feel like a job that is one of the greatest gifts you can have" - Hugh Jackman 2009

3rd September 2011, 3:11 PM	#39
millhouse Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cleveland, Brisbane Posts: 1,036	A vicious dog has no place in Security. Dogs involved in real security work are under control at all times, they don't just attack everything. The most likley answer for the use of German Shepherds and Rottweilers as "Security" dogs is that it is traditional. I would expect that any decent breeder of Pitbulls would not allow their dogs to be used in these roles anyway - no point re-enforcing the stereotype. In saying that I see no issue with them being used in Security work - they are intelligent dogs that respond well to traiing, like most dogs. Working on the dogs used at Amberley, Wacol Prison and some of the Brisbane Dog squads, I have seen the breed of choice currently changing towards Malinois. These dogs are magnificent and a little scary. Dobermans used to be the breed of choice many years ago. __________________ Taking Veterinary advice from a breeder is like taking Gynaecological advice from a pimp.

3rd September 2011, 3:14 PM	#40
Melzawelza Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 820	Mitch they aren't used in protection roles because they generally do not want to bite humans. They have been specifically bred AGAINST human aggression. When they are trained in this role they focus too much on the equipment (biting the sleeve) and when you get them in the field they don't want to bite human arms. The other reason they aren't used in other roles is that thy are restricted in most states and as such are forced to live in a cage or be on leash and muzzled. In the states they are regularly used in drug detection roles, dog sports and therapy work. They absolutely excel in these roles. I have so much more to write but really can't be bothered on my iPhone. Will do so tonight.

3rd September 2011, 3:50 PM	#42
B.D.R Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,645	I'm all for shooting these things, i don't care if its never attacked any one, while your at it you may as well shoot the owner too I don't understand how ANY one can or could have a dog around children, i don't care kids will be kids and they will pull a dogs ears, it does not give the dog the right to bite the kid, and if it does then it has the right to be put down I don't think this rule goes far enough, they should ban all dogs in the metro area, there is bugger all reason for them in the city