2013: Haswell

stmok · 8th November 2011, 7:40 AM

According to this article...
=> http://vr-zone.com/articles/mainstre...on-/13880.html

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After that, Haswell will keep the same 22 nm process in early 2013, of course with some refinements as Intel tunes up the new process over time. However, mainstream Haswell will have new sockets - LGA1150 for desktops and rPGA947 & BGA1364 for the mobile market...

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As of now, if you rate the advancement in each category by number of +++++ from 1 to 5, the deep throats say Haswell will focus on Performance (++), Integration (+++) and Power as (++++)! Basically, the performance improvements are expected to be limited to increased instruction per cycle parallelism with new execution ports and better prefetching & branch handling for per-thread performance improvement, as well as AVX2 improvements like fused multiply add (which doesn't always speed up things) with doubled cache bandwidth to feed all that. This by itself is very good and could lead to another above 20% same-clock per-core performance jump even in many current apps, but is still less compared to the effort put in the other two departments. After all, the other key related performance aspects - like the L3 cache size of 8 MB, and the dual-channel DDR3-1600++, are expected to stay the same.

itsmydamnation · 8th November 2011, 9:02 AM

there FMA is only for AVX? thats seems a bit odd, not everything is that awesome at being vectorized , i guess its purely a throughput consideration rather then looking to reduce latency.

Sledge · 8th November 2011, 11:02 AM

ANOTHER new socket? for crying out loud!!

stmok · 8th November 2011, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by itsmydamnation

there FMA is only for AVX? thats seems a bit odd, not everything is that awesome at being vectorized , i guess its purely a throughput consideration rather then looking to reduce latency.

Sandy and Ivy Bridge => Introduces AVX. No support for FMA.
Haswell and Broadwell => Introduces AVX 2. Supports FMA3.

AVX and FMA are related.

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Originally Posted by Sledge

ANOTHER new socket? for crying out loud!!

2011 and 2012 => LGA1155 (Sandy/Ivy) => Israel dev team
2013 and 2014 => LGA1150 (Haswell/Broadwell) => Oregon dev team
2015 and 2016 => LGA???? (SkyLake/Skymont) => Israel dev team

...New socket every 2 years.

Just because they change things every few years doesn't mean you have to keep investing in it. Buy the most powerful you can afford, use it until it no longer fits your needs or breaks...Then replace it. Forget about "future proofing".

itsmydamnation · 8th November 2011, 11:12 PM

AMD can do FMA on SSE, i just expected intel to be the same.

Concept CBF · 8th November 2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sledge

ANOTHER new socket? for crying out loud!!

Was thinking the same thing haha unbelievable! At least AMD doesnt cluster fuck you with the need for entirely new boards, ram etc every year or two

sanjay · 8th November 2011, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sledge

ANOTHER new socket? for crying out loud!!

exactly what i was thinking...

...for that matter, what will happen to LGA2011?

stmok · 9th November 2011, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by itsmydamnation

AMD can do FMA on SSE, i just expected intel to be the same.

Implementation of instruction sets is one of annoyance to developers; as AMD and Intel do things their own way. (Sometimes its intentional in order to create some competitive edge.)

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Originally Posted by Concept CBF

Was thinking the same thing haha unbelievable! At least AMD doesnt cluster fuck you with the need for entirely new boards, ram etc every year or two

You may want to reconsider that comment...

AMD's mainstream APU line.
2011: 1st gen A-series (Llano) => Socket FM1 (905-pins, up to 100W TDP)
2012: 2nd gen A-series (Trinity) => Socket FM2 (904-pins, up to 125W TDP)

Both Llano and Trinity use the same chipsets. (A55 and A75)...While AMD introduces an addition chipset in the form of A85X for Trinity.

The original 2nd gen FX-series (Komodo) was supposed to be Socket FM2. This was canceled by new CEO in favour of Vishera; which is Socket AM3+. The cost is that its 8-cores instead of 10-cores. (Vishera is less costly, as it re-uses a lot of existing infrastructure and shortens time-to-market.)

The 3rd gen FX-series will require a new socket. As they're integrating I/O features into the processor. (Supposedly, it'll use Socket FM2 with a new chipset).

sanjay · 9th November 2011, 12:05 AM

i love this comment that always springs up about AMD keeping a consistent socket.

sure, this means that you can keep using the same CPU cooler, but you cant exactly drop in an FX processor in your AMD 7-series chipset motherboard, can you?

no point the socket staying the same if the chipset wont support the new processors and will mandate a motherboard upgrade anyway...

mtma · 9th November 2011, 1:06 AM

It's really a moot argument, funnily enough it was the same comment about 2 years ago with the positions reversed, with AMD changing sockets seemingly like underpants and Intel with 775 - but incompatible motherboards.

The fact is that with more and more stuff being integrated into the mainstream level CPU (graphics, buses, etc) we're just going to see more and more socket swaps from both sides.

bobbth · 9th November 2011, 1:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sanjay

sure, this means that you can keep using the same CPU cooler, but you cant exactly drop in an FX processor in your AMD 7-series chipset motherboard, can you?

yep, you can...

here's a gigabyte 770 board
http://www.gigabyte.com.au/support-d....aspx?pid=3807

not that I think the lack of socket refresh is a good thing, it means less new features

sanjay · 9th November 2011, 2:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbth

yep, you can...

here's a gigabyte 770 board
http://www.gigabyte.com.au/support-d....aspx?pid=3807

not that I think the lack of socket refresh is a good thing, it means less new features

its only a beta BIOS that'll never make it to final release and as far as im aware doesnt support turbo core...youd be a mug to buy a bulldozer processor

...and youd be even more of a mug to run it on anything less than a 9-series chipset board

bobbth · 9th November 2011, 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sanjay

its only a beta BIOS that'll never make it to final release and as far as im aware doesnt support turbo core...youd be a mug to buy a bulldozer processor

Oh, theres no way I'd let anyone (except myself, ironically) buy a bulldozer processor. I was just pointing out that the AMD fanboys have a point, Amd at the moment have great backwards compatibility. (read: nothing else at all, just backwards compatibility)

Mau1wurf1977 · 9th November 2011, 2:16 PM

I always buy basic boards and I'm happy to upgrade.

lowdog · 9th November 2011, 7:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sanjay

exactly what i was thinking...

...for that matter, what will happen to LGA2011?

tehehehe hehehehehe..........obsolete

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mtma Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,648	It's really a moot argument, funnily enough it was the same comment about 2 years ago with the positions reversed, with AMD changing sockets seemingly like underpants and Intel with 775 - but incompatible motherboards. The fact is that with more and more stuff being integrated into the mainstream level CPU (graphics, buses, etc) we're just going to see more and more socket swaps from both sides. Last edited by mtma; 9th November 2011 at 1:08 AM.

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