2013: Haswell

[stmok]

Someone from a Chinese forum has leaked some new presentation slides from Intel.
=> http://www.chiphell.com/thread-308643-1-1.html









As you can see...

* The mainstream desktop and notebook platform will remain with a max of quad-core + HyperThreading support + dual channel DDR3 RAM (up to 1600MHz).

* PCI-Express 3.0 is standard. (Carried over from Ivy Bridge).

* Added AVX 2.0
(It'll be the first Intel CPU to support FMA instructions).

* The IGP will have 3 performance oriented versions: GT1, GT2, and GT3.

Where:
Desktop version => Up to GT2
Mobile version => Up to GT3

* The low power variant (UltraBook platform) will integrate the chipset on the processor. It will be dual-core only. The desktop and notebook versions will remain as 2 chip solutions. (Chipset and processor remain as separate chips.)

* One thing of particular note is the difference between LGA1155 and LGA1150. It seems the current socket has separate voltage regulation for the x86 cores and IGP. With the newer LGA1150 socket, the voltage regulation circuitry has been consolidated and will handle both. ie: "Fully integrated VR" => Voltage regulation implementation has changed, effectively killing all thoughts of backward compatibility. (New motherboard folks.)

Its seems the physical layout is almost the same between LGA1155 and LGA1150. The change is in height of the socket (slightly shorter with the newer one)...So you may need to refer back to your heatsink manufacturer to verify compatibility. I guess it depends on the third-party heatsink you've invested in. (I know Noctua offers free mounting upgrade kits for compatibility.)


Overall, this is another incremental improvement over the Sandy/Ivy Bridge lines. (Intel is sticking with the safe and predictable approach, as it offers consistency and minimal risk.)

[Gillyske]

Originally Posted by Mau1wurf1977

I always buy basic boards and I'm happy to upgrade.

same as me, If you don't lay down $350 on a board you tend to care less about socket changes

[Tripod]

This will likely be my next upgrade. I'm hanging on to my trusty ASrock socket 1366 and i7 till then. This board is rock solid (excuse the pun).

[stmok]

Intel Haswell Processors To Launch In First Half of 2013
=> http://pcper.com/news/Processors/Int...irst-Half-2013

LGA1150 is scheduled to arrive in "March - June" timeframe of 2013. ie: 2nd Quarter.

It'll replace the Ivy Bridge based LGA1155 line.



Side note:

On the Linux side, Intel employees working in their Open Technology Centre in China, have begun adding support for Haswell. The reason they're starting a year early is because it takes a few months before the code flows down to Linux distros. (They made a big mistake last time with Sandy Bridge.) ...The goal is to have the code out and incorporated into distros before the hardware is officially released. Linux users will then get out-of-the-box support if they invest in Haswell. (Don't need to screw around getting things to work manually.)

[Toliandar]

Wow a die shrink to 28nm in 2012 and then another die shrink to 22nm around the same time in 2013. When is the Haswell successor of socket 2011 due? It seems like an ivy bridge socket 2011 is going to be really short lived.

Intel really are pushing hard to get their power consumption down to compete with ARM. On this note is it actually feasible for Intel to compete in that market with the way things are done now because ARM are set to shrink down to 28nm around the same time as Intel goes to 22nm? I'm just doubtful on Intel's competitiveness due to ARM being inherently more efficient (from what I understand) so despite Intel's die shrinks and moves at power efficiency it can't overcome x86 being simply less efficient.

EDIT

I suppose what Intel are aiming for is acceptable power consumption but drastically higher performance?

[stmok]

Originally Posted by Toliandar

Wow a die shrink to 28nm in 2012 and then another die shrink to 22nm around the same time in 2013. When is the Haswell successor of socket 2011 due? It seems like an ivy bridge socket 2011 is going to be really short lived.

Sandy Bridge (2011) => Ivy Bridge (2012)
Tick: 32nm => 22nm

Ivy Bridge (2012) => Haswell (2013)
Tock: Still remains as 22nm. New architecture. New Socket Format.

Haswell (2013) => Broadwell (2014).
Tick: 22nm => 14nm

It seems the Enthusiast (Sandy Bridge-E/Ivy Bridge-E/etc) and Xeon versions have a much lower release tempo compared to the mainstream variant (LGA1155/LGA1150). This would make sense given the former has higher binning requirements and qualification testing compared to the mainstream market...The pattern looks like its a year behind the mainstream.

Looking at the recent official 2013 processor roadmaps, AMD is doing the same thing with their FX and Opteron lines.

Regardless of company, it seems both want the matured versions for their respective top-end product lines. (Matured in terms of manufacturing and revisions of the silicon itself. Have the Mainstream market absorb the initial costs, as that is a much bigger market.)

Originally Posted by Toliandar

Intel really are pushing hard to get their power consumption down to compete with ARM. On this note is it actually feasible for Intel to compete in that market with the way things are done now because ARM are set to shrink down to 28nm around the same time as Intel goes to 22nm? I'm just doubtful on Intel's competitiveness due to ARM being inherently more efficient (from what I understand) so despite Intel's die shrinks and moves at power efficiency it can't overcome x86 being simply less efficient.

Intel is using its strengths. ie: Brute force engineering and manufacturing resources.

Remember, they are the biggest semiconductor producer, so they can afford to throw resources into die shrink, re-arranging the layout of the transistor, etc. (They do this to compensate for the x86 not being naturally power efficient.) ...Its quite possible to push x86 down to similar power levels, given Intel has demonstrated their engineering prowess in the past. I wouldn't count them out, as the war of the processors isn't over until Intel goes bankrupt. The environment itself has changed in recent times (with the popularity of ARM-based devices), and no one is standing still.

In their Developer Forum late last year, their R&D branch demonstrated a solar powered "concept" processor running Windows. Their focus was on the lowest possible voltage one can run an x86 processor. (They managed less than 10mW). The solar cell was a size of a stamp. The processor itself was a modified Pentium Socket 7 design, codenamed Claremont.
=> http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...-powered-cpu/1
(It could be the basis for their future GPGPU line...See Intel Many Integrated Core architecture. Which itself is a derivative of the cancelled Larrabee project.)

Intel's competitors counter Intel's manufacturing might by forming partnerships. One such alliance is between IBM, GlobalFoundries, and Samsung Electronics. Their future roadmap is to offer 28nm, 20nm and 14nm processes on 450mm wafers. So one can expect future ARM based designs (and AMD processors) will be based on these.

For the Intel Atom, they're doing 32nm this year with Medfield, and later, Clover Trail. They won't be doing 22nm until 2013 with Silvermont. (They want it on a matured 22nm process. Rumours indicate that it will be the first Atom doing out-of-order execution and using an IGP that is a derivative of Ivy Bridge's IGP.)

Originally Posted by Toliandar

EDIT

I suppose what Intel are aiming for is acceptable power consumption but drastically higher performance?

On their mainstream products, the goal seems to be reduce power consumption where possible and incrementally improve performance by 15% to 20% with each generation. The TDP ratings will remain largely the same as the performance improves. ie: They make the x86 part more efficient, but the IGP more powerful in order to support OpenCL/DirectCompute scenarios and try to close the GPU performance gap with AMD's A-series APU line. You'll see over time, the IGP will take up a considerable amount of die space and consume more power than x86 side of the processor.

Ivy Bridge's IGP lays out the foundations for the future. Where as Haswell will extend it and amp up the performance.

If you already have a Sandy Bridge based system, you're better off skipping Ivy Bridge and save up for Haswell.

[Toliandar]

Ack I thought Ivy Bridge was going to 28nm whoops!

Yeah I'll be skipping Ivy Bridge and waiting for Haswell. I don't seen any immediate need for pci-e 3 and it will be interesting if a need for it will arrive when Haswell is out. If not I suspect there still wouldn't be much of a need to upgrade CPU from a gamer primary perspective unless there is some shift in game development.

[Kurosaki]

Originally Posted by sanjay

e
...for that matter, what will happen to LGA2011?

this is mainstream gear.... 2011 will remain a least until 2014.

[stmok]

Intel Lynx Point chipset details leaked
=> http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-ly...ked/14875.html

An overview of the 8-series chipset for Haswell. All the SATA ports will support 6Gbps, and they added another two more USB 3.0 ports. Various other improvements...Nothing major.

[Shreaver]

Originally Posted by lowdog

tehehehe hehehehehe..........obsolete

You're going to make the same exact post in about a year's time.

[stmok]

From http://www.computerbase.de/news/2012...r-den-desktop/
and also http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...This_Year.html



If this roadmap remains unchanged, then...
* Sandy Bridge is pretty much had its year run.
* Ivy Bridge's turn in Q2, 2012.
* Haswell comes in at Q2, 2013.
* LGA2011 isn't going to get Ivy Bridge-E in 2012...Not even to the middle of 2013!

It makes you wonder...Is Intel going to skip Ivy Bridge-E and go straight to Haswell-E? LGA2011 platform ends in mid-2013?

[Kurosaki]

That road-map suggests to me there will be parts equal to or greater then the 3960X for the extreme part and similar for the premium performance part. Either way I won't expect a new processor launch for the 2011 gear until a least September this year.

[desudesu]

probably ends up being the same thing they did for the x58 stuff, bring out the 990X and get rid of the 980X, so probably something along those lines.

[adamsleath]

14nm holy guocamole

[SmolderinCorpse]

Guess Ill just stick with my X58 board until the next processor comes out in 2013 .. or 2014 ... or 2015