Discussion in 'Overclocking & Hardware' started by shane41, Jun 7, 2017.
I am a member of Australia OC...and I will admit that I have submitted far too little scores... aranoid:
Need to get off my lazy arse and start posting more scores!
and ive submitted even less!
Got a lot a good hardware right now, 3 golden cpus, just need to find some time.
5960X @ 4.8 with 1080 Ti SLI, really should do some 3dmarks! haha
Some of us keep doing our thing Shane. Have no fear.
oh noes, what have I done!?!
Seriously though, it's great to see somebody enthused and with all the scores I've seen shane41 put up recently, its a terrific contribution to the team. Not sure I can let that cat out of the bag but suffice to say, it's been an avalanche of submissions to the 'bot... irate:
Sounds to me like someone is upset they aren't be hand fed tweaks :/
not sure about that so much, some of shano's submissions (all ambient cooled) are right up there with Dry Ice and LN2 scores, so there's efficiency there that he's got. so he must know something, eh?
Shane, we all work hard where you can't see to bring people in.
Look at Jordan for instance, you think he just popped in from now where?
Do you think he just did that well in the latest competition without help?
No, I met him on Facebook through some groups and brought him over here, sharing my knowledge with him to keep the massive flame he has going, and he's loving it.
Did you realize that was organised by the team to try and encourage people to join in?
We all do what we can, and unfortunately, it's up to the population to embrace our hobby. We all talk, and support where people ask, and thanks to the like of Gigabyte, we have support for our small community here no matter the size of participation in our local competitions.
I for one message lots of Rookie and Novices on HWBot to direct them over, but rarely does anyone come to us. We are here to help, guide and encourage, but, if people are only here for a quick dirty scatterbench, there isn't much more that we can do. All we can do is keep a presence, and enjoy what we do.
There is no need for all this "we gotta win" and "be the best". All we want is our hobby to be enjoyable, and if people want to join in on that, they are more than welcome to.
Shane I can say I have no problem running with you but if you aren't willing to learn some shit for yourself and show your willing to spend hours and hours of your spare time people aren't going to be willing to help
And btw Australia OC and Australian overclocking is very untied and all you are doing is causing shit as you feel left out instead of trying to pm people for help when needed
P. S. If you ask me for help I'll help where I can and here's a couple of guides I made to help newcomers
I've been keen, been submitting, but I've assumed that submitting a bunch of similar scores with the same equipment doesn't have an effect? Every time I get a new PB, I certainly submit it. Even my best never seem to make any team points though.
I wouldn't say people are keeping their tips and tricks to themselves either. OK, nobody has provided me a step by step manual on how to get the most out of my particular chip, mems or gpu, on my particular board, as there clearly aren't a set of magic one-fits-all numbers.
I've certainly improved a lot though, and its been just the odd pointer from a few guys, nothing too extensive because thats just not possible, but steering me in the right direction. You are one of those of course Shane, and I appreciate your advice as much as the others have given me. I'm still struggling with that Super-Pi install though :lol:
I find that if I ask a specific question, I get multiple people offering me answers. If I ask a general question though, the silence is deafening, because the question is just too general and there is no specific answer to be offered.
It would be absolutely fabulous if a few of the top seeds were all to contribute to a big 'how to' thread, dealing with different platforms, different aspects, and different extremes of overclocking. Potential tips and pitfalls, etc. All these could ever be is a general guide though, as of course every combination of every component in every PC ever is different, because identical components are never identical.
I'd love to see Team Oz at the top We just need to work out how to make it happen.
Shane, your OP doesn't sell the message in the right way, that's why there is a problem.
What we need to do is show promotion and what competitive overclocking is about. You missed the mark. Sell it, don't argue about it or ring the negativity into it.
Most of us in the team are flat out with personal things lately. In time, I am sure we can get a post to explain the intricacy of HWBot to promote better. I do my thing on FB for this, but even for the masses, there is little love.
But as I said, if we can't get the community to embrace, things will never change and we will just keep doing what we do regardless.
Anyone is free to join and ask away.
On that we actually have some of that in the OP of our team page although it could do with an update
Oh and what issues are you having with superpi
At the end of the day it's really hard to get people to try competitive OC and even harder to keep them at it which is why most of use try to help as much as we can and as you should be able to tell only 20 or so overclockers have kept at it which is actually pretty good considering most other teams only have a few active overclockers
If you have constructive ways to draw in more members I'm all ears as I love overclocking and I love the team and am willing to whatever possible to help promote it although I just don't have the time like I used to
This shows very strong from you.
What am I even reading.
-Its not December, so I'm not handing out tweaks one can find on a 3 second google search
-Team spirit? We dont post much to OCAU - some of us have day jobs, and some of us just dont have anything to say.
Some of us spend all day talking on our respective facebook chats.
Times change, forum chat turned to facebook chat.
-contributing "to the team"
unfortunately hwbot team power points (HTPP)
Just dont count like they used to. Almost all teams dont see putting the team ahead as their main objective when benching, they put their own individual accounts ahead
I reckon people on the front page are checking these out - not the Team ranking below it. I know I am. and those TPP dont add to the points shown on the front page.
We're supporting the "team" with every score we submit. the ranking just doesnt increase a lot, and sometimes other teams bench more.
I've tried this, every comp I've ran, I posted up in the popular 3dmark threads here to get people to try it out, but dude, NO ONE CAN MAKE SOMEONE BENCH. Some people are more than happy to spend 10K for a 3dmark11 score and have zero interest in ever trying 3dmark vantage.
I'm not going to try to convert people to bench, we just do what we do, and if someone is interested, they will contact us, and we can be as welcoming as possible.
is that about it?
Its an expensive hobby too. Yeah I know its possible to compete with retro stuff too, but even retro isn't necessarily cheap or easy to find.
I can't afford to bench or destroy a new chip each week under LN2, nor would I want to spend that kind of money on something I can't actually use for anything else.
I've had retro computers, when they weren't retro, and they suck now just as much as they did then.
So I take the middle ground, with consumer stuff and water cooling. I probably spend a 500 a month on new shit, just to try and keep up with the Stigs hillbilly cousin. The Stigs of this game are way out of my reach.
In the end its all about being the best in your class, I'm striving to reach that, but I have no ambitions to go up or down to a different class at this point. If anything, I'm considering moving sideways to Threadripper. I'll still do my best to make the thing go as fast as I possibly can though, whilst still keeping it useful and functional, whatever I get.
I suspect many of the members who are not submitting probably bought themselves a new rig at some point, got all excited at the numbers they were getting and thought they were competitive. Then when they realised that stock numbers weren't in the running, decided it was all too hard, and went back to shooting people in games.
At least 3000 of those members will be completely inactive, or using another name, or only ever signed up on a whim.
I also suspect there are plenty of people here who would compete, but feel their skills or equipment are not up to the job. To those people.. skills we can teach you. Equipment, you can compete against others with similar gear, you don't have to attain outright world records on LN2 here, you just need to do well in your class.
That can come down to the silicon lottery, or your skills, or both. Its a challenge, jump on it !!
Stick a water cooled computer outside, with cables running inside (you only want the PC to be cold, not your body :lol, and overclock in 6°C ambient. Love it :tongue: really looking forward to subzero ambient. Let The Winter Begin.
Couldnt agree more with this post.
Stick to what you can do, and strive to be the best at it.
I keep my bench rigs and my "desktop" rigs completely separate, but I dont expect that everyone has the means to do that.
Running a rig on chilled water or outside in the cold of winter? Significantly more easy than dropping $300 on an LN2 pot.
And as mentioned, you cant milk enthusiasm where it isnt there already.
Aspire to be a champion? flick me a message with what gear and what bench, and we can chat from there.
I am humbled..
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How do I put the team first? Am I ticking the wrong box somewhere, or not submitting in the right events?
Just submit any score. The points are calculated and any team points are automatically added to the tally, once Hwbot's servers do their calculations (which can be anywhere from instantly to several days)
Look, part of the issue here as well, is the strong scores you get with subzero scores also makes getting a big boost here is very difficult without latest-generation-balls-out scores and tweaking.
take a look at my last few scores submitted - 6.5g Kaby lake in multithreaded benchmarks - all definitely personal bests - but still all under the 30-40 Global/Hardware points I'm looking for. Unfortunately, my chip isnt strong enough to get close enough to the 6.7+ others with 7700K are getting, and next generation 7740K are looking even stronger for raw frequency.
Even a 6950X doing 5.2ghz? points are barely worth it.
what is left?
Older videocards in legacy benchmarks - get a top ten score - sometimes just watercooling or dry ice is plenty for this, and reap the hardware points.
So with the main focus of me contributing to the Team score, and with the hardware listed in my sig, what bench software is suggested I focus more on?