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  1. broccoli

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    On the one hand, I'm looking forward to seeing Holdennutta's setups, on the other I'm feeling like an enabler and wondering whether we should be holding an "intervention" :lol:

    If you've got anywhere to stash it, keep the 38L as a quarantine/hospital tank. You will need one, and you do not want to have to rush to the shop when a fish turns poorly and you have to take him out of the big tank to look after him.
     
  2. t00ch

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    38L would be a good size for a shrimp tank HN, just saying ;)
     
  3. holdennutta

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    Yeah, fair point. Do you need to keep hospital tanks running? Or you can you just pull them out when needed and fill?

    My setups wont be particularly flashy I feel. I'm not very arty at the best of times let alone something new like this!

    Enable away, this fish thing is fun!

    Don't tempt me...


    So this is the last pic I thought to take before I killed the tank lights for the night (and the Corys really don't like sudden and repeated light changes so not turning back on for pics :p) :
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    Tangle of wires is being taken care of tomorrow.

    Left tank is stocked with:
    • 20x Neon Tetra
    • 2x Bristlenose

    There'll be some more flashy fish to come once I research something that will fit the tank/community etc. No rush. The 20x Neons are really fun to watch and the bristlenose are extremely amusing.

    Right tanks stocked with:
    • 1x Betta Male
    • 5x Cardinal Tetra
    • 3x Schwartz Corydoras
    • 2x Panda Corydoras

    The 2 species of Cory will join up apparently which is good. They already seem comfortable in close proximity. The Pandas seem extremely small so they must be very young.

    Now that we have the tank size I think we'll add 5 more cardinals and leave it at that until the betta expires. It's the sole remaining example of the Bettas from this fish shop my fiance's friend got it from so the odds are not in his favour :(

    I may transplant a bristlenose if algae becomes a thing.

    So now I've set up two identical tanks with two different filters I've made some observations and comparisons.

    Left tank is running an Eheim Classic 2213 which is rated for 250L and cost about somewhere between $250 and $280 but I can't remember.

    Right tank is running a Fluval 306 which is rated for 300L and cost $225.

    The Fluval beats the Eheim in every single way for me EXCEPT the hose arrangement. Where the Eheim uses nice 12/16mm piping in a cool green colour and is flexible and easy to route the Fluval uses painfully inflexible pipe similar to what comes out of the washing machine outlet. It has weird twists and a large minimum radius for corners. It was extremely hard to work with compared to the regular Eheim stuff. Due to the spliney nature of it all the joins between sections need to be under water so air doesn't enter. Added complexity!

    On the subject of the hoses the Eheim has an awesome trick where the inlet hose (and outlet for that matter) has a splittable double ball valve. So you can close both valves, split them apart and then use the valve on the inlet pipe as a hose pipe as it's retained the siphon and you can easily do your water changes like this. Very simple. The Fluval also has valves but it's a integrated arrangement and doesn't seem to allow you to take advantage of the siphon. It'll be the old school gravel vac style water changes on this tank :(

    The Fluval actually has individual compartments for each stage of filtration where the Eheim just stacks on top of each other and you have to manually sort them when you clean.

    Fluval has a superior clamping mechanism and seal between the pump and the canister. Feels substantial and is a tight seal. Eheim is a bunch of flimsy feeling metal latches and a much less bitey rubber seal.

    Fluval has a priming plunger. I went from nothing and pipes with air to an effective siphon filling the canister with three pumps of it! I had a disadvantage when setting up the Eheim as it was my first ever canister filter and wasn't familiar with it and achieving that first siphon to fill the canister took me ages. I do complicated things for a living and I this took far longer than it should despite the manual being beside me. I believe I ended up achieving the siphon in some odd way no in the manual and not the extremely simple way I saw demonstrated on youtube the other day. Now I know it's easy as. But that newbie initial setup sucked.

    Fluval manual is well illustrated and written in a much easier to follow fashion. Much more explanation of the features and operation of the system as well.

    Fluval has a flow control valve as well to adjust the flow which is nice. It was nice to be able to shut the flow down really quick as I noticed my betta suspiciously moving backwards in the direction of the intake strainer. No control for the Eheim.

    Eheim seems to be a lot quieter though. Fluval has only been running a few hours so I believe it will get a bit quieter eventually but at the moment it reminds me distinctly of an old fridge. Not too loud and not problematic but obvious.

    So yeah, I think the Fluval wins for me at this point.

    Probably enough typing for 1am... Just wanted to get some thoughts out as I just finished the set up.
     
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  4. broccoli

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    For that size, you'd probably need to keep it running, it'd take ages to heat up. You really need somewhere up and running to move somebody straight away if there's a fight and somebody gets hurt of you get somebody looking "contagious". I had a tiny (tiny) little thing I could pull out as needed, but that wasn't used for quarantine where you need a decent size. Sticking new fish into a tiny thing isn't going to help their stress levels.
     
  5. MUTMAN

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    HN readup on the golden triangle ratio for placement of the plants.
    taller plants to the back. shorter to the mid and front.
    have a single feature. rock wood plant doesnt matter. just a single focus point

    your enthusiasm is contagious
    :thumbup:
     
  6. broccoli

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    Yes, I looked at fish in the shop the other day, thinking I should resurrect my tank instead of selling it.
     
  7. Lupuscrux

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    don't "need" to keep the hospital/quarantine tank running, you can always take water from the tank the fish was in (temp and cleanly-ness will cause less stress too) and treat it like a water change.
     
  8. MUTMAN

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    a $8 kettle from aldi will heat up plenty of fresh water for a small tank in no time.
    in the middle of winter it takes the edge off the new fresh water about to go in for a weekly change too ;)
     
  9. Smoke87

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    Funny you mention this. Last night I setup a 650litre tank. Was struggling to get it above 21c before I wanted to go to bed, so I figured I'd boil a few kettles worth. Picked up the temperature super quick!

    I'll post photos when I am happy with the tank. Right now I don't have pebbles and the tank was second hand, so there was a bit of silt I didn't think to get rid of prior. Should have :S Lesson learned... I will try to vacuum it out with my pump.
     
  10. Optimus.

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    Just don't use water from the hot water tap... Comes through copper pipes. Copper is deadly to snails & shrimp.
     
  11. holdennutta

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    Soooo if I want to get rid of my snails I could add some copper to the water? :p
     
  12. Smoke87

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    So does your cold water....
     
  13. MUTMAN

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    lots of other fish dont like copper. not just the invertebrates.
     
  14. t00ch

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    Started up a dry start on my new shrimp tank (damn MTS :lol:)

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    I've got ADA Amazonia as the substrate, with a thick bed of flourite underneath (at the advice of the LFS). It's hard to tell due to the angle of that photo, but it slopes up to a steep hill on the left side where the rock is.

    Carpet plant is Monte Carlo. Hoping it'll fill in nicely before I flood the tank :)
    I've chopped up and spread on the hardscape a bit of Java Moss clippings from my other tank.

    I also purchased a sponge filter and air pump, have set it running in my main tank for now to seed it, should be full of bacteria by the time this one is ready to go :thumbup:
     
  15. fredhoon

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    [DEL]Pics please t00ch[/DEL], I'm keen to check it out. What's your plan for the transition from immersed to submersed, flood it with a high ppm of C02?

    [Edit] I forgot that the work proxy blocks most image hosting sites.
     
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  16. Optimus.

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    Having just done the same, may I recommend trying without the cling film?

    It's what I'd do given my chance again. Or, maybe 2/3rd... After 2 attempts, I now think airflow is necessary to combat mold.
     
  17. t00ch

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    I'm not entirely sure, I'm just kind of making it up as I go along! Any suggestions? I don't want to run co2 long term on this tank, but was considering possibly using co2 injection for the transition phase and then moving the setup to my larger tank which I was considering buying a co2 setup for anyway :)

    Noted, thanks. I've taken it off and will just use the glass lid which has corners cut out and spaces around the edges, should allow some airflow :thumbup:
     
  18. Optimus.

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    Perfect! (IMHO)
     
  19. holdennutta

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    Good call!

    I just finished setting it back up because I noticed our Betta with a few white spots down his sides :(

    Going to get the temp to about 30' and I've added some salt. Hopefully I don't notice any more spots appearing in that tank. It's the one with our Corys and they're not cheap! (And awesome fish!)
     
  20. fredhoon

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    I don't have any suggestions sorry, just interested. I'm planning a new tank and started reading into DSM, however as it is going to be low maintenance (not full Walstad though) I discounted the idea as I don't want to setup C02 just for the transition. Plus reading about all the fungus issues people in Hong Kong and Singapore were facing sounds like a pain in the arse to manage.
     

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