10th gen Intel Desktop Comet Lake CPU(i9 10900K, i7 10700K, i5 10600K, i3 10320 & Z490)

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    Almost too good to be true. If I could get a 10600K for this price here, I would immidiately upgrade.
     
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    quite sure someone was trying to sell their 10600k at this prce in the form but no bites
     
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    Fake imo..
    1. Intel already had trouble reaching turbo frequency with 10900K and that's why they made 10850K.
    2. Current 10900K price is AU$300(~43%) cheaper than the release price, so I don't see any reason for releasing 10900KS for $100 extra now when 11900K is just around the corner.
    3. Even if they released 10900KS, it'll get wasted by similar priced 11700K(with also new features like PCI-E 4) so no one will buy 10900KS.
     
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    I agree it seems a stretch, but if 11900k is delayed it might make sense. Even if 11900k and 11700k are launched in 6 weeks time, they may have near zero availability until after June. They could do it in small volumes using all the sp104 and sp116 CPUs.
     
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    Where are these?
     
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    der8auer sells em for 5 unicorn tears.

    p.s. i can probably get you SP104 if you are really interested.
     
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    Only 104? Best was 98 forum
     
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    I decided not to wait for Gen11 and got a 10700KF along with a basic Strix board to tide me over for a year or 2 till DDR5 and PCIE5 are the new mainstream.

    Over my old 6900K this CPU is noticeably snappier in general PC usage and apps. In games at 1440p the difference is imperceptible where the GPU is the bottleneck, as expected.

    Currently have it overclocked to 5Ghz all core at 1.3v and temps hitting 87 on 2 cores and the other cores between 81 and 85. I will play around more with settings and see what it can do for 24/7 overclock.

    Highest CB R20 score is 5274, so not sure how good the silicon is on this chip but I expect its average.

    If you guys have any tips and tricks for bios settings, specifically the DIGI/VRM section where Im unfamiliar with other than LLC, feel free to share.
     
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    Fine tune the VCCIO and VCCSA for their minimum stable voltages. Memory frequency number of ranks (8gb sticks = 1 rank,16gb sticks = 2 ranks).

    Rule of thumb is vccsa=vccio = 1.25v for 4000mhz of 2x16gb b die. If you use high speed memory (even with Xmp) on z490 and leave those 2 voltages on auto you are asking for a degraded CPU that will need extra volts to boot at 3000mhz.

    Manual voltage seems to work best so I daily my CPU at 48x46x avx0 with nice cool voltages even though my chip will do 51x comfortably.
     
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    Few tips:

    * Use the "VR VOUT" voltage from your mobo VRM controller as the closest measurement of the actual vcore your CPU sees.
    * Using OCCT "Power" test is a quick way to see if you're 99% stable, especially under extreme thermal load. If it's crashing out or generating errors during a 15 minute power test, then you'll need to make adjustments.
    * Each to their own, but rather than using an AVX offset, you can tune your power limits and thermal limits to auto scale down. AVX offset is easier of course, but it's crude, as it could be a very cold day, and it still downclocks the same amount.
    * If you use manual voltage, likely C states won't work properly; that is, you won't be able to get max power savings at idle. Consider using adaptive voltage instead.
    * Ring ratio can help with synthetic performance, but can get in the way of you reaching your max clocks on memory and cpu.
    * 1.35v is still safe for vccio/vccsa and vccio does not have to be greater than vccsa.
     
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    I havent touched VCCIO and VCCSA yet but I have been monitoring them. Both sit around 1.18 and 1.16 Im using DDR3000 from my old system at the moment so those voltages arent a problem. I will get memory later.

    I will check out the VRM voltages you mentioned in further tests. Thanks
    For adaptive vcore I generally set that right at the end when Im happy with everything
    Also havent touched ring ratio yet, I will play more with that today

    Last night I played cyberpunk for about 2 hours at 5ghz 1.3v and max temp was 85. Would you guys consider that OK or can these chips happily sit higher for everyday usage?
     
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    What cooling are you on? Max temp of 85°C is pretty high for gaming. CP does load the CPU up a certain extent, but still nowhere near even what IntelBurnTest would, let alone something AVX intensive like OCCT Power test.

    Good point regarding setting the adaptive vcore later on, agree with that. That said, if you're happy with 5.0ghz @ 1.3v, then you can just work on tuning it now, including ring ratio, memory, C states, adaptive vcore, etc. But I'd say there's probably abit more validation/verification that you'll need to do on this first.
     
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    I'm using a Noctua D15 cooler.

    Bit of testing done:
    First run of OCCT Power test and system crashed so I set AVX offset to 1 in the bios and passed without issue at 77C. Also did a quick 5 runs of Very High Intel burn test with the same results.
    On CB R20 I still reach 87C so I decided to test Cyberpunk again and instantly realise its also using AVX as my core clock was at 4.9 most of the time and maxed at 77C with average temps lower than that.

    For some reason in HWINFO doesn't display VR VOUT, I only see VRM temperature. Maybe its not a feature on this board.

    I will see how much more vcore I need for stable 5ghz no AVX offset and then play with ring etc
     
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    For GB/Aorus boards it shows up under "GIGABYTE Z490M GAMING X (Intersil ISL69269)" which refers to the voltage controller.

    I'd imagine there'd be an equivalent controller reading out similar data; including package power which is useful to seeing at what wattage the cooling starts struggling. For me IBT only loads up to low 200's for wattage.

    5.2ghz, 48x ring, 2x16GB DDR4@4200mhz, no AVX offset, adaptive ratio with some tweaked curves but yeah when at full load, it holds about 1.36v on the VR VOUT to keep happy at 5.2ghz all-core.

    To be honest, the results were abit better than I anticipated, given I wasn't really planning on OC'ing much, with a $200 Z490 board, $215 32gb ram kit (Micron REV E), etc...

    10700k IBT testing.png
     
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    This is what I see from HWINFO
    10700KF_hwinfo.jpg

    I have the ring at 46 with no extra voltages added but didnt get to testing more other than a TS run with comparison of old vs new. Basically a 7.2% increase in overall score and 35.5% increase in CPU score.

    https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/18586928/spy/14462731#
     
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    You can go by the VCORE figure but its most likely the socket sense value and not the die sense/VROUT. Just compare it though to other socket sense values as alot of people show die sense which is lower.
     
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    My 10900k is average, I can do 5.1Ghz all core at 1.35v, no AVX offset, LLC3.
    Didn't touch the ring so it's still stock at 43.
    Hits 79c max with a ROG Strix 360 AIO (surprising good AIO).

    I fiddled with adaptive voltage, so it's set at 1.36, with a negative offset of -0.100, keeps heavy loads at 1.29v, but idle you do see voltage spikes to 1.38v, still nothing to worry about.

    I tried per core overclocking (53x3, 52x6,51x10), but I found that benchmark scores in everything were lower compared to a all core 5.1Ghz.
    Asus AI overclocking was complete shit, but it was fun to watch it fail so hard :lol:
     

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