3d computer update -> help

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  1. isometrix

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    Hi, I'm a bit of a noob with motherboards and what not and was wondering if you guys could help me out. I have just recently begun to use such high end 3d applications as Maya. My system is currently about 4 years old and is;

    - octek rhino vap133-acp
    -p3 mhz550@733
    - 384mb SDRAM
    - nvidia hercules gf2mx

    I'm thinking of a getting a 2ghz p4?

    but I have no idea what type of motherboard to get that would best suit my needs ( 3d design,animation) and graphics card.

    I don't want to spend a trillion dollars.I just want something sweet and that does the job.

    Any help would be great
    thanx
     
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  2. KNoodles

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    IMO you could look at buying any new mobo, cpu. The things you should look at closer/spend more money on is the amount/quality of ram and your new graphics card, as those will be critical to the 3D design/animation.

    My recommendations:
    At least 512MB DDR333+ (1GB would be better)
    128MB video card (radeon 9700 pro)


    KNoodles
     
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    isometrix

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    so do u think I should just stay with this overclocked 550 and octek board. ?

    when you render does it use your cpu ? or ram more ?

    I know that the graphics card is responsible for the viewport.
     
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    CPU power is the most important - it is always a limiting factor.... though memory can be a limiting factor as well in some situations

    - HeXa
     
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    isometrix

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    so i gotta get a good cpu + good memory + good 3dcard

    im going to be saving for decades
     
  6. maular

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    KNoodles is right.

    Honestly, 95% of your time is spent working in the viewports, not rendering. A fast CPU is good (a 500MHz is not), but at least 512MB ram and a good vid card is more important. And a large monitor (preferably two), you need to be able to see your work properly.

    If I was you I'd buy a Radeon 9x00 (whatever you can afford) and use Rivatuner to mod it to the FireGL equivalent. Very nice for working in the app. Get 512MB DDR and whatever Athlon you can afford. And compared to Maya itself, and what you'd earn from 3d graphics, it'll cost peanuts. I understand you're probably just "evaluating" Maya, but in that case you can live with a POS till you can afford to upgrade.
     
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    isometrix

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    what type of motherboard should i get and how fast a cpu ?


    thats all i really want to know..since i always have problems with cpu's working with motherboards and blah blah cause i dun know shit
     
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    Are you an AMD or Intel person? Or is the cheaper the better?

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    cheeper the better...since ill be blowing all my money on a 3d card and ram
     
  10. amobea

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    go for 4GB of ram
    as thats what windows thinks it has anyway
    may as well keep the OS happy
     
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    My current recommendation:

    Epox 8RDA+ (~ $215, cheapest I've seen it $209)
    AMD XP 2100B (haven't looked at prices, but under $200)



    What do you mean amobea? I mean could you elaborate a bit?


    KNoodles
     
  12. kabab

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    Have a look on the alias|wavefront page and they have a very update list of all supported graphics card and bugs for every major video card i would base your selection on there to have minimal problems.
     
  13. saba

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    A dual processor system with reasonable processors and gobs of memory will make both the modelling and rendering a breeze. This has been discussed before as well, do a search.

    Similarly, post a question here -> www.maxforums.org
     
  14. funkychild

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    isometrix: Just to clarify for you, modelling and working in the 3D viewports uses your graphics card. Rendering uses your CPU and RAM. So if you want to improve render times, getting a faster graphics card won't help, and to an extent, vice versa. If you're going to be doing a lot of work with digital video files, you'll also want as fast a hard disk as you can get, too.
     
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  15. pippin88

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    If you want to do it cheap I'd get:

    XP1700+ $125
    ECS motherboard that allows both SD ram and DDR (Not at same time), someone help me with the name pls. $125
    Use current ram, maybe + a bit more.
    Ti4200, 9500, 9700 (Dont waste your money one a pro card (As in 9700Pro) for this stuff. The 9700 will clock to Pro speeds. $300-$500
     
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    here is what im thinking of after some exploring.

    Motherboard<<

    Abit Socket A M/B, NF7. nForce2 chipset. Support AMD Duron/Athlon/Athlon XP Socket A Processors based on 200/266/333MHz FSB and features new dual 400MHz DDR memory controllers that deliver up to a 50% increase in bandwidth.
    Price: $231.00


    CPU<<

    AMD K7 Athlon XP 1700+ CPU. Runs at 1.47GHz. Thoroughbred. Supports 266MHz Front Side Bus. Old M/B may need a BIOS update to support Athlon XP. Retail Box with CPU Cooler, 3 years warranty.
    Price: $128.70

    Graphics Card<<

    ATI Radeon 9000 128M Pro
    Price: $240.00

    RAM<<

    1 x Seitec 512MB 400MHz DDR-SDRAM. PC3200
    Price: $236.50
    >>Total : $836.20

    does this sound worthy?
     
  17. saba

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    Not enough memory, not enough CPU horse power.

    Come now, on my overclocked 2.4ghz test rig, 1024mb of memory is not enough for half the scenes that come shipped on the tutorial/example cd's of 3dsmax.
     
  18. amobea

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    them maximum amount of ram windows can handle is 4GB
    and by default it acts like the maximum is installed
    even when it isn't
     
  19. maular

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    He's got a budget dude.

    The CPU, RAM and mobo are good choices isometrix. However, I'd get a 9500 / 9700 for the vid card, it is a big step up. The 9000 is a R200 based card (or whatever the radeon 8500 was), and I speak from experience saying the 8500 has nothing on the 9700 in Maya.

    edit: After looking at prices, it's only $50 more for a Athlon 2000+, which is approx 300MHz faster, so I'd suggest that. Video card... Well, it's up to you and your budget.
     
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