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4700 to spend what's the best value AMD or Intel?

Discussion in 'Overclocking & Hardware' started by niksta, May 19, 2022.

  1. niksta

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    I already have a 850W PSU and case that will reused for this build.
    I will be including a 3080ti in this build.
    Was wondering if AMD 5950X and x570 was still the best value or if i build an Intel based system with ddr5 ?
     
  2. Deus_Ex_Machina

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    Depends on what it's being used for. You can get a top quality, stable, mature B550 board and 5800X3D for $900 and in reality won't be beaten by anything else, is cool and efficient. There are sacrifices in performance in say video encoding compared to 5900/5950 or 12700k/12900k however. I don't see the value in expensive boards and ram for the sake of "future proofing". People get way too hung up on a platform like it's a concrete slab you can't change.
     
  3. Utetopia

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    If it's for 1400p gaming a 5600X system will kick along just nicely.

    Money well spent imo would go to an ultrawide monitor. I'm a sucker for the 49s.
     
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    I wouldnt get a b550 board. Id go full length board with the x570 chipset. Have to get all the slots.


    I would go an amd 16 core. 5950x or the 5800x3d chips.
     
  5. Deus_Ex_Machina

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    X570 doesn't bring much to the table for me when great quality B550 boards are <$200, neither does 5950X at $800. Only AMD CPU's I'd consider in any build today are:

    5600 - All rounder
    5700X - All rounder with some extra productivity and multi core kick over the 5600
    5900X - Powerhouse all rounder, mix of the above two for the higher end rig
    5800X3D - Alternative to 5900X if gaming is your sole focus.

    Then again I don't see value in the 3080Ti when a 6900XT is $1400.
     
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    I had bad experience with AMD GPUs years ago haven't touched them since.
    I decided on x570 as the MB I'm getting can use both NVME slots as pcie gen 4 with samsung 980 pro drives.
    Will also need to use an inverted MB case as desk and room layout dictate that PC needs to be on the left hand side of my desk.
    Not sure if the lian li 011 dynamic evo or the be quiet 802 are the best option.
    What's the point of rgb if you can't see it.
    Or do i keep my existing 8700k and change my 2070 super for a 3080ti ? and wait for AM5.
     
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  7. demiurge3141

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    $4700? You are not really looking for value, you are looking at top of the range here.
     
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    At 4700 i dont think value really plays into it except building the PC yourself.
     
  9. Deus_Ex_Machina

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    When there are only 2 real competing GPU manufacturers in the world I wouldn't cut one off because of one bad experience. I have had 10X nvidia based GPU's and 8X ATI/AMD based ones. Only had a problem with one (6600GT AGP/PCIE hybrid thing). Buying shit cards is usually more a problem than shit chipsets in my experience.

    That aside the 3080Ti is one of the worst value GPU's on the market. 6900XT is value king at the top end, if set on nvidia then 3080 is far better value than 3080Ti.
     
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    Ok fair enough never realised that the 3080 is that much better value than the ti version.
    Never really had the chance to buy into the top end of PC hardware always upgraded every 3-4 years and sort of ended up middle of the road.
    Last PC i built was the 8700k intel with asus rog maximus x hero with 16Gb 3000Mhz corsair dominator ram.
    The last upgrade to this was a 2070 super.
     
  11. rireland

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    I would start with just the gpu swap and then see if you want to upgrade the rest. if you are only gaming intel has an edge with higher frequencies.
     
  12. Deus_Ex_Machina

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    Where is your current system lacking? 2070S isn't a slow GPU. If at 1440p and wanting more FPS you could probably drop the 3080 straight into what you have now.
     
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    It feels like its currently lacking at 1440p so maybe i'll start with gpu upgrade first.
     
  14. storm-chaser

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    I would say go with Intel. For a couple reasons:
    They are easier to overclock
    They have higher clock speeds
    They can support faster memory clocks.
    They have lower memory latency
     
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  15. Deus_Ex_Machina

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    How's the weather on your planet?
     
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    your existing 8700k is more than enough for 1440p.

    considering we are only possibly a few months away from:
    a) AM5 (which will also be DDR5 only and also bring PCIe 5) +
    b) GPU's from both nVidia/AMD

    I would stay away from everything if you can hold out. Sure PCIe 5 wont be cheap, and yes DDR5 is not "value" compared to DDR4, but trying to achieve something with 4700 at this moment in time is a waste of money imho.

    If you can't hold out, money is best put towards an excellent longer term monitor, and a GPU (3080/6900XT) at a good price. Save the rest of your $$$ when you have a big reason to upgrade (possibly in a few months time)
     
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    Sound advice rg144. 8700K & 2070S is no slouch, not like you are stuck with a potato. I wouldn't usually advocate waiting but I reckon with the level of gear you have I would. As above if you can't wait then yup, get a 6900XT on a good deal then sit tight.
     
  18. storm-chaser

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    *Im talking in general terms here...

    For example...
    Does AMD have a chip that boosts to 5.5GHz?
    Ever tried to overclock a 5950X?
    Manual OC on Ryzen usually ends up with lower single core/thread frequency and performance (not sure on the latest generation).
    My 9600KF goes 5.3 stable, what comparable AMD chip can do that?
    Ever contrasted AIDA64 results for memory latency? without a doubt Intel always comes out ahead in most benchmark competitions. And by a large margin.
    What AMD chip can achieve this latency:
    [​IMG]

    Do you want to talk memory speed/bandwidth differences or are you getting the point?
     
  19. Deus_Ex_Machina

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    I really wouldn't like to talk about memory speed or bandwidth between 2 CPU brands. I stopped caring about CPU frequency in about 1998.

    59**X, 12*00K and 5800X3D show how vastly different CPU designs have become to achieve a given result. Performance at the selected task, price, power consumption and heat generation are all that really concern me. I couldn't care less what Aida64 says.
     
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    There is more than one way to reach tje goal.

    Heat and power consumption is very important.


    Also pins on the chip and socket on the motherboard is waaaaay better than lgaxxx with pins on the motherboard.
     

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