Discussion in 'Video Cards & Monitors' started by lowdog, Dec 7, 2018.
Big difference between "can afford" and "is willing to spend"
like all hobbies, you either pay to play or find something cheaper! Dont sook if you dont want to spend or can't afford.
the real fu is amd making more $$$ per card for navi than nvidia does with turing while fucking over the consumer even MORE
I very much doubt this is the case. Navi is on a new process node, with all the challenges associated with that (expensive, lower yields) while NVidia can outperform them on a cheaper, more mature, better yielding process. My guess is their Navi pricing is aimed to generate some kind of return (ie/ not turn a loss) on the investment $$ so they can justify redirecting some profit from their CPU business to help their GPU business.
That aside, they basically own the console cpu/gpu market now, and for the forseeable future, which is a much better earner than enthusiast GPUs. It appears that Navi is just a by-product of development for that market. They know they're not going to win any significant market share from nvidia this generation, so why bother cutting their throats on price? It's enough to have something in the market, until such time that they can afford/justify the huge development spend it would require to actually drop a GeForce killer.
i get that navi 7nm isnt (cheap) compared to zen 2+ but common their still making a sweet 60-80% profit margin which is massive even by intcel and nvidiot standards
if the price drops and 7nm+ is cheaper and it out performs the 2080 and 2080ti next year it might be worth looking at for budget conscious
assuming big navi even comes out and we get another repeat of big polaris
Where does this 60-80% figure come from? Sounds like its plucked out of thin air. Intel have the best margins in the business and they would chop off a leg for 60% margin.
adored did a pretty good video on the costs recently that would be pretty close to thes costs of these cards
Cost to produce the actual silicon is what I've seen Adored cover, don't think he's touched on the final cost including assembly, shipping, and the big one - marketing
So AdoredTV is right in this case, but not in the last 6 months? lol
he was using real-world calculators/details in calculating the die costs of the amfail card not fanfurl rumour and speculation and hype
If you look at financials. AMD is aiming for future guide 41-42% margins. Total business.
Thats the margin I have heard off before. Someone on reddit did the bom on 5700 and got around that level of margin as well - not the AdoredTV level of margin that is all of a sudden classed a good prediction.
cheezus no one is saying adored predictions are any good but using the dic yeild calculators does not take a genius to calculate out the cost of a die
I bet your dic yield is pretty poor
i listened to adoredtv once, pretty sure i got cancer from it.
Yeah he's a shill, not a business analyst.
guys im starting to like CJ help me hes too based
On the topic of margins 40-50% is well beyond sustainable for rtg/amd and nvidia like in its over priced
GPUs are just simply over priced
For a listed company 30% margin is considered to be low so 41% - 42%, total business, is not at all an unrealistic or overly ambitious target.
i just came back from a trip to Cambodia and Thailand so yeah........
Those lady boys will still be wondering what hit them.