[WIN10] Antivirus

Discussion in 'Windows Operating Systems' started by drunkntigr, Jun 23, 2017.

  1. drunkntigr

    drunkntigr Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2004
    Messages:
    1,435
    Location:
    MELB
    I did a search and couldn't find an antivirus thread? Something must be wrong.

    Anyway, have tried avp, eset, kaspersky - about to try symantec internet security.

    I really just want symantec endpoint but they ended that for windows 10? Kaspersky keeps on turning itself off in windows 10 and has annoying plugins. I would think the consumer symantec is going to be the same.
     
  2. CAPT-Irrelevant

    CAPT-Irrelevant Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,529
    Location:
    Sydney
    What's the need for 3rd party? I get away fine with just Windows Defender.

    My understanding is that Windows 10 was developed in a way to basically have the existing concept of Windows have been rebuilt from the ground up. This argument could of course be taken with grain of salt, but in my experience, Desktop AV protection has basically been rethought, as the traditional occurrences of viruses from 10~15+ years ago is practically non-existent now. My non-use of 3rd party also takes out the equation the issues that you mentioned with your use of Kaspersky.

    Then again, I don't go around negligently downloading dubious content. This is a general statement, not taking pot-shots at you or anyone.
     
  3. NismoR31

    NismoR31 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2006
    Messages:
    3,993
    Location:
    Sydney
    the built in windows defender is fine. provided you don't use shitty microsoft browsers
     
  4. dcyloo

    dcyloo Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2002
    Messages:
    4,895
    Location:
    Brisbane
    This is generally toward the line of thinking that I apply also.

    Add in also that Windows 10 has the telemetry to provide Microsoft with a more real-time understanding of the in-the-wild usage patterns and infection patterns then there is a greater ability to nix the issues identified.

    Be aware in the clicking of links and opening of programs.

    The AVCompare site shows that Defender has a 86% hit rate and lower than the others in its simulated test. Simulated. Not live.
     
  5. MR CHILLED

    MR CHILLED D'oh!

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2002
    Messages:
    128,684
    Location:
    Canadia
    Exactly, by employing some basic concepts like this you can largely remove the need for av software. Of course there are varying levels of users.
     
  6. BurningFeetMan

    BurningFeetMan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2003
    Messages:
    7,750
    Location:
    Veg City
    I work with a lot of customers who don't have a local IT Administrator to provide advice (mum & dad customers).

    My experience is that 3rd party Antivirus programs have caused more issues than virus. When AV is installed by the home user, they're never configured, they slow the entire PC down, they break desirable installs & applications, they do not stop crypto, they don't stop a disk drive from dying.

    My advice, if you're about to invest in a 3rd party anti-virus, then don't. Instead, invest in a backup solution.
     
  7. Gaff

    Gaff New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2017
    Messages:
    7
    Location:
    Melbourne
    I'm inclined to agree with BurningFeetMan and the others. I don't work in IT but you'd think I did with the amount of requests I get from family and friends to fix their sluggish computers. Third party AV programs aren't necessary if you're running Windows Defender and know what not to click.
     
  8. metamorphosis

    metamorphosis Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,554
    Couldn't disagree more. Backups don't solve the problem, if inexpertly configured ie. what I see most ie. Windows Backup + external drive permanently connected to computer.
    On the other hand, Defender is ineffective - look at AVcomparitives, it's slower than the others and detects less than almost any Fucking sick.
    If you want a slow machine that only detects the bare minimum, stick with defender, or Norton, or Mcafee/Trend Micro. If you want actual antivirus protection, Avast, Avira, Eset all have high non-false detection and don't slow down your machine much by contrast.
    M
     
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2017
  9. BuuBox

    BuuBox Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2003
    Messages:
    8,896
    Location:
    Melbourne
  10. Griff

    Griff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Messages:
    80
    Location:
    Smithers B.C. Canada
  11. BurningFeetMan

    BurningFeetMan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2003
    Messages:
    7,750
    Location:
    Veg City
    I've found Avast impacting massively on compile times when writing code, even after I configured it.
     
  12. ralph123

    ralph123 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    413
    Location:
    Somewhere....
    i used sophos at work with no problem. And so i ended up going with the Sophos home user one and it seems fine. No noticable slow down etc.

    https://home.sophos.com/
     
  13. merlin13

    merlin13 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2003
    Messages:
    1,534
    Location:
    back in BrizVegas
    Backups for AV/Malware protection. Fine if you can get the Punters to do the damned things as instructed, automated ones are pretty damned useless once the nasties get into the system thence get shunted across to the backup destination and promptly riddle the servers. Off To The Cloud, Anyone?...


    Anyway, back on topic - from the years I've dicked about with WinDoze and AV etc sorting out domestic and commercial systems I've seen pretty well all the most popular AV programs go through cycles of "Fuck, This One Is Great, Doesn't Affect PC Operation At All" to "Fuck, This One Is Now A Piece of Shit. Cleanse It With Fire".

    Shining example - Nortons. Used to be pretty well the pinnacle of AV protection, since Symantec took it over until I start urinating petrol I wouldn't bother pissing on it if it was on fire. Only reason I'd still work on it is on jobs where I'm on an hourly rate.... :D

    Since the beginning of the year I've also encountered a few systems where after serious/large WinDoze Updates systems running AVG and Avast started to seriously chug. Stripped these out and near-normal system speeds came back. Reinstall them with whatever version you want to pick and they chug again... go figure.
     
  14. VirtualNinja

    VirtualNinja Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2003
    Messages:
    889
    Location:
    North Parramatta
    I have been running Kaspersky Total security/ pure for the last 4 years on 3 pc's. Not once has it turned itself off in win 8.1 or win 10 environments. Main rig have Kaspersky & Malwarebytes Premium. There is something wrong going on at your end.
     
  15. elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Messages:
    30,847
    Location:
    Brisbane
    The value in larger enterprise anti-virus suites in business is in their automated deployment, central configuration, mandatory policy enforcement and centralised reporting. These are all necessary when you're managing a large volume of machines, and don't have time to sit at each one manually clicking things.

    For home or single-user setups, you don't need any of that. The built in Windows Defender is fine. Ensure you've got automatic updates turned on, and check once every now and then to make sure updates are coming down for both your OS and Windows Defender.
     
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2017
  16. juggernaut88

    juggernaut88 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2015
    Messages:
    204
    Location:
    /dev/null
    Sophos do a free home cloud offering that covers up to 10 machines and you can centrally manage from your web login, set policies on specific machines etc.
     
  17. glenpinn

    glenpinn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2006
    Messages:
    5,290
    Location:
    Hobart
    who uses anti virus software these days, don't need it, especially if you are going to pay for it, nothing wrong with Defender, and i have not ever seen any virus on any computer or laptop in over 5 years.

    The only thing i used to install was Malwarebytes, but not any more.
     
  18. tree86ers

    tree86ers Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2004
    Messages:
    317
    Location:
    Brisbane
    i think it has been about 5 years (or more) since i have installed active anti virus on one of My pc's

    usually it is only malware bytes and I run a scan every now and again.

    mostly it is now safe browsing practices, that keep me safe.
    If i think it is something questionable, i try and download it on my NAS where it has it's on AV software (linux based)

    when it comes to family it is a bit more of a struggle. My Dad is savy enough to do about everything he needs but still downloads content on his PC. this has caused issues a couple of times now where the only action was to wipe and reinstall the OS.
     
  19. Mace

    Mace Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2001
    Messages:
    435
    Location:
    Canberra
    Anybody still use AVG Free?
    I haven't found any slowdown with it.

    I've been using it for decade(s?) and it has saved me a few times when inserting a customer HDD for data recovery.
    It also tells me it has saved me from the odd infection here and there through general use.
     
  20. glenpinn

    glenpinn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2006
    Messages:
    5,290
    Location:
    Hobart
    Why would anyone still be using any externally installed trashy AV software, which will then disable Windows Defender, which does a far better job anyway ????

    LOL False Positives more like it, just to get you to buy their premium version.

    And what happens when you go to Harvey Norman to buy a Laptop, the first thing they try to sell you is their add on Care package, which includes a premium version of Nortons or McAffe, and so many people get sucked in to buying it, and if you don't buy the after care package, they still don't tell you that windows 10 already has built in Defender, and i think this is very deceiving, because many normal people have NFI what Defender is.
     

Share This Page