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Apple to Announce its own Mac Processor

Discussion in 'Apple Desktop Hardware/Software' started by aokman, Jun 10, 2020.

  1. aokman

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    awesome.

    one thing is certain - it will be minimum $3,000 :)

    must be going nuts as what to do with those $ trillions
     
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    MAXIMUM MARGIN
     
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    The great news for me here is that I'll never have to support a Mac in a professional workstation environment again.

    This is 100% mobile/lightweight focused, which is totally fine mind you. But it's the final step in Apple's transition from competent workhorse brand to sexy lifestyle brand, and the only use for this new tech will be all-day battery life for sales and marketing people doing emails and spreadsheets, which is 0% of my job.

    As an Apple user/supporter/sysadmin since the early days of Macintosh, it's been a fun ride. Apple had some truly spectacular hardware along the way, powered by some truly spectacular software, and the high end workstation world of audio, video, design and print at scale wouldn't be where it is today without them. I'll fondly remember it all, as Apple drift into their new world of designer purse accessories for B-grade celebrities, and out of my life forever.

    (Which reminds me, I need to finish modding my old Bondi Blue iMac ("lifesaver"/"bubble" CRT model) with a Raspberry Pi. Hey, does that count as an Apple Mac with a custom ARM CPU?)
     
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    I think it might finally be time to see a change. My Intel laptop from lenovo does nothing more faster than my laptop from 10 years ago but it seems to run hotter (insanely hotter) and more tempremental to power plans. If you read the old PPC VS. Intel papers you would see for the clock rate the PPC was an amazing processor and didn't require the insanely high clock speeds Intel is requiring. I can hook up my Samsung Galaxy s10 via DEX and get about the same experience from said lenovo so eitherway it will be interesting to see what they deliver.
     
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    also Apple's processor in the new iPads is pretty serious business for it's use cases.
     
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    I will be curious to see if they just drop in an iPad processor or if they scale up one of their chips and unleash hell.

    Personally I think it will be minimum impact on the ecosystem. Technically METAL can continue to support all current x86 offerings, Apples silicon and AMD / Intel GPUs all at the same time.

    The way they have done this is very smart and bypassed the need for developers to write software for a non-existent userbase.

    Anyone who thinks this cant be a powerhouse is kidding themselves, Apple could scale it to the point of drop in RISC cards with arrays of processors similar to afterburner.
     
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    If they can get MS (Office), Google (Chrome) and Adobe (CS) to port to ARM then that's probably 90% of their consumer apps. I'm curious to see if they will ship an emulator at all or just require developers to ship universal apps.

    I agree that this will probably end Macs in a corporate setting - Office will be fine as above but is there going to be a port of whatever terrible VPN client, endpoint protection etc your office uses?
     
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    Yeah it does. But you won't see it browsing websites or playing games.

    My work currently is majority cluster/HPC/renderfarm/cloud. We can't get faster CPU upgrades in fast enough, and everything is held back by the upper bounds of available hardware. That's the other end compared to your average laptop user.

    CPUs have scaled well past the needs of "regular people" use cases, so "regular people" tend to over-estimate how useful current CPUs are.

    For example...

    This nonsense. Saying Apple's new CPU is going to scale well because of addon cards? What do addon cards have to do with this CPU? (Not to mention the fact that Afterburner isn't RISC, but that's the least wrong thing about that statement).

    More to the point, across countless threads this individual continues to profess the platform as "powerful" for "professionals" because of "doctors and lawyers". No.

    I'm sure Apple will continue to see enormous financial success from a business that focuses more and more on mobile+cloud. And for a huge volume of end users, that's fine. What we're seeing here is a return to the thin client model popular in the 70s and 80s. Except instead of green-screen terminals hooked up to massive mainframes, we've got iPhones/iPads/MacBooks hooked up to the cloud. We've already successfully moved most low end business tools to the web, and more and more we're seeing high end CPU/GPU workloads, even interactive ones like audio/image/3D processing, moving there too. Another 5-10 years and I doubt we'll see very much left that runs natively on your own device in the prosumer/budget creative space, as everything gets farmed out to massive data centres running CPUs and GPUs not found in MacBooks. (I guarantee you Apple's cloud offerings and data centres still run of x86_64 CPUs, and for good reason).

    Apple's market for some time has been "mobile portal" devices and services (which is totally fine - it's clearly making them a shitload of cash). Anyone who thinks they're still in the "powerful computer" business is... how was it put?... "kidding themselves".

    It'll be a repeat of Rosetta in the PPC->x86 days. That was a fairly successful migration, and that was long before we had hardware-assisted virtualisation.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(software)

    I don't see any issue in the migration process.
     
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    This is true, my reply only surrounded the low/mid end of the market which occupies most of where Apple is positioned. For Server and Big Iron applications (HPC/Compute, Virtualization, etc) current architectures and scaling are perfectly acceptable. I used to babysit a HPC at my previous job with AMD cores that were purchased due to being "a good price" aka. EOL and which used an insanely large amount of power and generated enormous heat for a very lackluster computational output. A few Supermicros which were purchased at a later date could essentially do in 4 RU what these did it 42RU.

    It seems in the desktop landscape developers have become fat and lazy with the fact they know CPU is an infinite resource. As mentioned, why do I need to be constant turbo'ing my CPU to 4.x GHz and average CPU usage of 30% on most cores for what is essentially a few Chrome tabs and Outlook. This might be a smart play for Apple, if they could bring out something with "days of battery life" even 2-3~ days on a stretch, that would be pretty impressive.

    Right now if my Lenovo P53s forgets to regulated the power plan it lasts a 2 hours, if I lower the plan (which very noticeably impacts performance), a few hours sure. But the experience is terribly bad.
     
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    Pretty much, see it too often in the rendering space needing stupid threadripper core counts because developers are to lazy to optimise the workloads for more efficient GPU processing and everyone doing their own thing. It is one of the reasons Apple does so well with FCPx on lower spec hardware and encoding times. They have even managed to offload much of Logic Pro X processing to GPUs now which is quite different.

    I guess that is one of the advantages of METAL having it run in many facets of computer hardware means CPU and GPU can interchange roles for general processing or specialised tasks with T2.
     
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    Finally, G5 PowerBooks!

    Maybe this will spur on my Mac Pro upgrade earlier if everyone drops their new ones in favour of these G5 Powerbooks. (I seem to always upgrade to the latest Mac Pro 3 years after it's released by buying a second hand one)
     
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    no doubt Apple has dropped the ball over the recent years, but i guess that's what success brings, how long can you keep raising the bar?
    like Game Of Thrones, such an epic but in the end so average.

    i don't think it's a question of processing muscle in the long run, it's whatever the consumer wants... or in Apple's case - whatever Apple says the consumer wants :)
     
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    Biggest issue I can see is all those millions of people who buy macs then run Windows..... because macs are fashion accessories.
     
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    Couldn't care less about that, i'm more worried about what it means for x86 Apple software. Might be worth looking for a Resolve license I guess
     
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    Microsoft's Surface team are rubbing their hands with glee.
     
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    It won’t mean anything, all apps have to be updated to support the METAL framework on Mojave anyway which means everything will work the same (Performance aside) on the various platforms.
     
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    Imagine being this excited about a proprietary API that supports a tiny fraction of the software on planet Earth on a tiny fraction of the hardware on planet Earth.

    I mean, hand on heart, I really, really love some obscure and niche stuff. But this blows my esoteric hobbies clean out of the water.

    Beyond that, times were better when Apple were bigger supporters of (and contributors to) open source. Not investing in Vulkan was pure lunacy on Apple's behalf.
     
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    Posted July 6, 2015. Well shit, look at me being all exactly right about Apple's predictability (iOS Apps on macOS, ARM powered Macs).
     
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    +1 medal of Smuggness awarded.

    With RISC Open Sourced I was surprised that Apple didn't resurrect a licensed PowerPC chip.
     
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