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Apple to Announce its own Mac Processor

Discussion in 'Apple Desktop Hardware/Software' started by aokman, Jun 10, 2020.

  1. holdennutta

    holdennutta Member

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    I'm shocked!
    So is computing.
    Irrelevant. You still need technicians to service moving parts and electronic/hydraulic systems.
    You're the computer mechanic and the brilliant scientists are the car drivers.

    Specialists will be trained in setting up the systems. Everyone else will just care about using the software they need to use to get their job done.
     
  2. elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

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    The point being that the software changes every day, so the skills needed aren't "driving a car". More akin to driving a car today, a boat tomorrow, a helicopter the day after, and something you haven't even seen yet next week. Some things are transferable. But we're more desperate than ever for people who can adapt and think on their feet, and not just people who learn things rote and repeat them their entire careers.

    "Getting the job done" is more complex today than ever. So are the tools needed to do the jobs. Tools that change quite literally daily.

    Not in the way you think. Indeed, *my* job - building computers at scale, or the "mechanic" as you put it - that bit sees more automation than the "driver" of the machine.

    We advertise for a role, go through 80 odd resumes, sometimes discarding them all and starting the hunt again. The desperation for competent computer users is at an all time high. And yet unemployment figures soar. If computers are automated, magic machines than any idiot can use, how come we can't fill these jobs with the skills we need, despite one seventh the planet having a Facebook account?

    The ever declining pool of computing skills is very, very concerning.
     
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  3. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    Like the individual that uses Microsoft Office, only Microsoft Office and refuses to adapt and learn a possibly better cloud based solution or some alternative - They're baggage and possibly due for retirement, replaced by someone more open minded.

    Adaption is a big part of our lives as workers, if we can't adapt we get replaced by those who can. I've taught myself more than any uni degree or certificate ever did by watching people, some of whom I class as my mentors, very closely. Absorbing anything they can present.

    As a result I'm a fairly multi skilled individual. If that car's designed and made by a man, I'll rebuild/fix it. It may take time initially, but I'll work it out - That's the challenge.
     
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  4. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    How do you go when you need an RS232 connection, knowing that many home automation systems still use such an interface. What USB to RS232 adapter do you use if you don't mind me asking, just so I know what actually works?
     
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    Sort of!

    https://www.statista.com/chart/12578/global-pc-shipments/

    I know the catchy title contradicts what I said, but that's why Data > Titles . Since 2016 shipments have essentially stabilized, only dropping 1% 2017-2018.

    The following year(2019) they then grew

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/pc-shipments-grew-in-2019-ending-7-year-slump/

    2020 well, it wrecks everything doesn't it.. :(

    tablets on the other hand have been shrinking - you could probably counter argue they're stable-ish, but really only for Apple..

    https://www.statista.com/statistics...s-by-operating-system-since-2nd-quarter-2010/

    Either way, there's nothing statistically to suggest PC sales are continuing to be eaten by either Mobile or Tablets, it seems the three have at least stagnated - which reflects the reality of them from a user perspective. Android and IOS have become no more useful than they've been for many years, as you say they're both useless for production, but on top of that I'd argue BOTH are limited even for consumption - Android, and IOS are always compromised experience - be it the default mobile site versions being the shit version, or the downright useless multitasking (Still) of Android and IOS , Basic logic says the compromised one can never win out.

    To their credit, the Android and IOS App versions of everything you'd be forced to use browser versions for on a Desktop machine counteract this, but surprisingly, only sometimes. By now you'd expect these devices to be 100% the choice for consumption, with PC's only drawcard being production but it's simply not the case.




    Yeah, For the most part I think you're right. but further to that - There used to be a very important middle ground between users being just mere consumers or producers, I'm not sure what you'd call it but it seems to be MIA. This is not what computing or the "internet" used to be like - Call me an old man shaking my fist, but honestly, it was a more interesting thing to be part of when it wasn't so 'Binary' probably a whole new topic though.
     
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  6. Zee

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    I used to use a USB-RS-232 adaptor, but it's been a loooong time since I have had to deal with RS-232 for programming. Most are via ethernet now, USB at at worst.

    Z...
     
  7. Perko

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    It's because it's a platform agnostic discussion forum, no one expects Tim Cook to read it, and it's not a pro-Apple circle jerk just because there are Apple specific forums. What's the difference between people disagreeing with you here, and Apple fans howling in Windows threads?

    It's also because the admin team is objective enough about what constitutes trolling to know that people calling you out when you get hyper aggressive at anyone who disagrees with you, and move the goalposts constantly when talking about anything Apple isn't it.
     
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    Yeah I have been super aggressive :lol: grow up seriously.

    Objective would be stopping threads being constantly derailed by members purely trying to start arguments and not having constructive discussion. Objective would be ensuring threads stay on topic.

    In other news, dev kit performance results have surfaced running through Rosetta2

    https://9to5mac.com/2020/06/29/firs...or-apples-arm-based-developer-transition-kit/
     
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    I'll be interested to see how that performance evolves, could be a super interesting platform that's for sure.
     
  10. flu!d

    flu!d Never perfect, always genuine

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    Interesting, cheers Zee.
     
  11. elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

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    You don't see the irony of this post?
     
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  12. [KEi]SoVeReIgN

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    OCAU as a forum was borne out of a shared passion for overclocking, alienating any real Apple discussion - So not really platform agnostic.

    The general sentiment here towards Apple is very negative, more negative than any other forum I participate in - Reddit/technology, reddit/android etc etc

    aok makes some pro-apple sweeping statements and gets chewed out, others make anti-apple sweeping statements and a circle jerk appears. I understand his frustration
     
  13. elvis

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    This assumes that you're comparing statements of opposite direction but equal magnitude. It's quite clear the magnitude is *very* different.

    That happens in a community who value control over their devices, and the ability to customise them as they see fit.

    The particular subreddits you mention there are far more "general consumer" in their habits, and their values differ radically to your average OCAUer. Neither are wrong. They're just different. But it's pretty clear here on OCAU that Mac discussion was once a pretty big thing, and today these discussions are tumbleweeds in the desert, due entirely to how Apple themselves have changed in the last decade.
     
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  14. [KEi]SoVeReIgN

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    I don't personally believe that to be true, but that comes down to the objectivity argument.

    I think it was once a bigger thing because people didn't get pounced on for anything that might resemble a positive Apple comment. (This may be an unfair interpretation, but it's only based on what I've seen in here)

    I can only speak for myself, but I don't bother participating in most Apple discussions, or answer any Apple related questions because of the toxic negativity.
     
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  15. holdennutta

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    You think that’s “super aggressive?”
     
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  16. elvis

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    I'm not sure I consider vendor worship "objectivity". I think the part that's missing here is that healthy scepticism of *all* vendors is a good thing. That seems to get confused with "anti-Apple circle jerk", rather than what it actually is - questioning the decisions of large vendors (including but not limited to Apple) who are pushing us to relinquish control of the things we pay for.

    Doesn't matter if it's Apple, Microsoft, John Deer, or any other vendor notorious for eroding consumer rights of software and hardware alike.

    I think the obvious fragility coupled with immediate personal counter attack is hilarious. That's what I think.
     
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  17. Perko

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    OCAU has been a general tech/geek/nerd forum for years and years. While a lot of our hard core Apple fans may have a persecution complex, they should take a look in other threads where brand loyal forum users overly hype products. (Have a look at some old Radeon and AMD CPU threads for examples).

    The reality is that the thread OP doesn't get to decide how a discussion flows, and what is or isn't off-topic, and if said OP makes technically non-sensical statements and defends them by shifting goalposts and cherrypicking results, then who is actually the troll?
     
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  18. Zee

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    To be fair, let's keep in mind the sort of forum we are on. Essentially, at it's core, a lot of us got here (at least in the earlier years) because we were tweaking our PC's - something that Apple is not particularly known for.

    Look at the join dates of most of the participants, a large chunk are pre 2003, and just about all pre 2012. It's a more old school group in here, so I think it's pretty fair to say most of us have a bit of a beef with Apple of late, especially in terms of upgrades and repairs. I'm personally quite happy to open up my Macbook Air (or even an iMac or Mac Mini, for that matter) and replace hard drives, add memory etc.

    Basically, my point is, most of us enjoy doing something that Apple actively tries to prevent - tweaking our PC's. It does drive me mad that I can't just add more ram to my Air, because the RAM is soldered in.

    Personally, I've said it before, and I think they are all pricks (Apple, Microsoft etc), it just depends which one you prefer to bend over for (kind like whether you prefer to step on a rusty nail, or impale your hand on a rusty nail). I like the Apple ecosystem, and their UI's, but I'm not a fan of the company itself. Not that I'm a Microsoft fan, either...

    Z...
     
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  19. holdennutta

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    That’s not the question I asked though?

    Is it super aggressive or not? Question wasn’t whether you found it funny or not.
     
  20. elvis

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    I think you're itching for a fight and we're all hurtling deep into utter nonsense territory at this point.
     
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