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Apple to Announce its own Mac Processor

Discussion in 'Apple Desktop Hardware/Software' started by aokman, Jun 10, 2020.

  1. teej

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    You keep making vague statements that never actually say all that much. Presumably you don't think they "control every facet of the device" today, so what do you think they would like more control over, and how do you see them exerting more control over the next five years or so?
     
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    Also just maybe don’t buy their shit if you have a problem with it?

    They’re not going to outlaw the regular PC market.

    Dell and HP aren’t suddenly going to drop Intel/AMD to run Apple silicon.
     
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    Yet anyone can make wheels for it if they want and don’t. Just because something seems stupidly expensive to some, doesn’t mean the price isn’t justified.

    I can tell you I couldn't make wheels from stainless steel billets with that finish for less. Especially for the tiny market segment.

    Could they have used shitty plastic wheels? Sure but if there is one thing I like about Apple, its when they stupidly over engineer something instead of building it as cheap as possible.
     
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    They're still a commodity after all - If apple start charging $10,000 for an ARM MacBook Pro, $2,000 zenbooks are going to be looking real good
     
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    Neither could I, but I'm not a metal worker. I'm reasonable certain it's possible for significantly less. But, it doesn't matter, I was just taking a pot shot at the obvious, and the reality is, I've never really felt the need to have wheels on a desktop machine, and we don't have to buy them. But what happens when proprietary ports become a thing, because we don't already have enough dongles. A single USB 3 port would have added a negligible amount of thickness to a Macbook, and would have been incredibly useful to just about everyone, ever, that uses a Macbook. Instead, we need yet another crappy dongle...

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    Well Apple do conform to standards, you just need to buy a vesa adapter for $350.
     
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    Dell or HP etc happily could. their procurement/product team just hasn't told them to engineer wheels to a $1000 price point...because why would they?
     
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    Me too. I love it. That's why I buy apple stock, and let sheeple buy apple products.
     
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    Ah, the old "sheeple" comes out.

    Used by people too closed minded to realise there's other people on the planet who might just possibly have a different set of needs/desires to you therefore there must be something wrong with them as your way is the only way!

    Very lazy argument.
     
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    Exactly, Dell and HP are too busy making shit as cheap as possible to win corporate contracts. Like I said, its nice to have variety. I don't want Apple to be another vanilla PC maker, I want them to make the products how they want them not how bean counters want them.

    If the product is a hit, people will buy them, if it isn't... they won't.

    and the flipside to that is you now have much faster future proof ports that can be anything. As opposed to 1gig networking baked in for the life of the product among many other ports that get outdated with time like USB.

    Contrary to what Louis feeds the internet trolls, you are not locked to Apple only dongles, most off the shelf expansions from other companies will work if they don't use the cheapest Chinese shit chipsets.

    I spoke to a friend who does tons of CNC machining and they rekon there is no way they could pull off that sort of fit and finish with stainless at any sort of price point that would shame Apple and net them a profit. Which is why no one else has bothered.
     
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    IMO $1000 wheels are stupid the same way an optional $10,000 Breitling clock in a Bentley is stupid - I couldn't make the clock for $10,000 either, doesn't mean I want to pay someone else to. If people want to buy them though, no skin off my nose.
     
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    I'm not annoyed at Apple Dongles (I know that we're not "locked in") I'm annoyed that I need a dongle at all for something like a standard USB key. It's still a mission to find a USB-C version, though I have seen USB-C/USB 3 versions (plug on either end), which are cool, was just not smart enough to buy one at the time.

    And fair enough. Whilst I think it's silly, and I'd never buy them myself (much like the Breitling example above), I do still appreciate fine examples of engineering. And that, it is.

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    Really? I have like 4 USB keys that can be flipped for normal USB or USB-C

    I've converted everything to USB-C now so I don't need a single dongle except my lan adapter but it is always plugged into the cable anyway so hardly a concern and my desk has a 10gig unit daisy chained.

    There are still other laptops that I appreciate... Panasonic for their toughbook lines, Lenovo for their high end laptops (though they have still sold out for cheap crap in the low end)

    I also appreciate that no matter what price point Apple laptop you buy you will still get a full unibody construction, glass trackpad etc. They simply won't drop below a certain standard just to fill a market segment or price point.
     
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    It's a workflow thing at the end of the day. If you (well were now, not are) a highly mobile worker in relatively remote areas who had specialised tooling with USB-A ports, it's a business risk to carry around a machine with only USB-C ports in case you lose your adaptor. Which happens to be me so i'd had to take MBP from my potential laptop list.

    If you've got all usb-c now, gravy, living the dream.

    Unrelated to ARM though, just another perspective on the USB-C / Apple peripheral choice thing.
     
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    That's tempered by their offering any laptop you like as long as it's a thin and light. The scope of their desktops offerings isn't quite as narrow but for me at least they no longer make much sense either.
     
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    Yup, really. Not in Australia, not here in the Philippines, not even at an Apple store. Yet, the local Sari sari store (corner store) here in Baguio, has loads of USB 3 keys hanging next to the bananas and potato chips.

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    They might not be in the 7-11s but surely places like greenhills will be stacked full of them.
     
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    Not that I've found. The problem with most types of stores here, is rather than open a store with competing products and different items, they open 400 identical stores selling identical stuff in the one place. I normally go to Megamall, as it's an easy 10 odd minute walk (with a walk through of Shangri-La and a coffee or 3 at Toby's Estate on the way), and they have all the big outlets - including a Powermac (basically a local Apple Store - Apple don't have Apple stores here because idiotic political decisions from the 1960's, so there are local franchises that act like Apple stores).

    I could probably find one online, get it delivered, but that's not the point. the point is, if I need a USB flash disc *right now*, because, I, four-X-ample, want to give my architect a 100mb Sketchup file, with the changes to our house design, I can't just hop downstairs to the local sari sari and pick one up for $5.

    Yes, I know, Teh Cloud™... Dropbox! YES! I mean, we even have a 500/500 net connection at our coffee shop/office, but for whatever reason, some locals just don't get the benefits. Heck, I helped her sign up, pointed out that it's free, she even used it once to download said 100mb file. Yet she still insists on email her updates and changes... Though, keep in mind, most people have 5mbps net connections or less - not that it's an excuse to use email instead of Dropbox..

    I've got a 2014 Mac Air right now, so not an issue, though the ethernet dongles do drive me nuts, as no matter how many I buy I never quite seem to have one every time I need one. I'm in upgrade mode though, and a 16" Macook pro is on the cards, and this sort of thing is something I need to consider and plan for.

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