Australia makes world first 21Mbps eHSPA/HSPA+ data call

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  1. Drunkmunky

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    Riiiiiight, we need 21Mbps phonecalls why????

    EDIT: Oh right, it's not just a phone call lol it's data as well. Not too shabby!
     
  2. neon_87

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    telstra are idiots... start putting some of this technology into internet. Why do we need faster phone calls ffs... i want faster internet!
     
  3. jimboh2k

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    You realise it's data as well right? Saying "Telstra makes first 21Mbps visit to porn site" doesn't sound as good on PR material.
     
  4. astro_boy

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    Expect devices that even do these speeds in.................
     
  5. FiShy

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    To do this they used the whole capacity of the cell.... lol
     
  6. MrSmoke

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    y cant we get those upload speeds on home internet connections :(

    like really? Our internet is shithouse, but we have good phones? MAKE IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND ffs. AND I STILL CAN GET RECEPTION AROUND MY HOUSE!!!
     
  7. tfroggydawg

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    Telstra should run a competition.

    *** How quickly can you run up a $100,000 phone bill with your 500MB data allowance. ***

    Only business, the rich and the stupid would use any telstra products.
     
  8. bcann

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    whoopy doo.... lets upgrade 3g data speeds when 4g already offers better.
     
  9. mshagg

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    World first use of technology and all you'll hear is bitching because it's telstra.

    Who else has the capital to build this kind of shit?
     
  10. jimboh2k

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    Does no one read anymore? HSPA Evolution is part of Long Term Evolution which is 4G.
     
  11. FiShy

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    Just ignore them, the evolution of GPRS makes no sense to people, they just pick the small words like 3g and 4g.
     
  12. Idryss

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    I think its a good thing as it has the potential WITH THE RIGHT PRICING to be an alternative to fixed phone line internet. Alot of ma and pa types just check their email, use google maps and look at the weather (using my Dad as an example). If this was availiable at a reasonable price nationwide, this would be perfect for him as he lives in woop woop and telstra charge an arm, a leg, a kidney and someones first born son to service anyone who lives outside of a capital city/suburb.
     
  13. Wilf

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    Please show us the price variation on the Telstra website for a home telephone, or ADSL, or cable depending on where you live...

    otherwise your claim is just bullshit!
     
  14. DrClaw

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    It's a good thing. Well for people who's work pays for all the data it is ;)

    I use HS(D)PA quite regularly, and in some areas you really feel the cell capacity restrictions - in the Melb CBD I barely get 1MBit, but out in the burbs I max my card out at 7.2MBit - in all cases I have excellent signal strength (-70dBm, Ec/Io at approx -2) and multiple available cells, so it's not just a signal issue.

    Given that cell capacity now has gone from 7.2 -> 14.4 -> 21, it's only going to make it better. And hopefully with more users onboard, they *might* drop the prices so that non-business people can afford to use it.

    LOL yeah right! :)

    It'll also be good for the 4 people who use their iPhones on T$ - you'll be able to sync your mail approx 0.6 seconds faster... hehe
     
  15. Heywood

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    Personally, I find that it's quite a shame that marketing from Telcos and equipment vendors have distorted what the differences between 3G Technologies (IMT-2000) and 4G Technologies (IMT-Advanced).

    What are the 4G technologies you refer to? WiMAX is technically a 3G Technology since IP-OFDMA TD WMAN was defined as the sixth radio interface for IMT-2000 and there hasn't been a definition of a 4G radio interface as yet.

    100Mbit/s for high and 1Gbit/s for Low mobility are the established targets for research in Recommendation ITU-R M.1645 'Framework and overall objectives of the future development of IMT-2000 and systems beyond IMT-2000' with regards to bitrates for advanced services and applications.

    HSPA+ is a reasonable evolution of a radio technology for UMTS networks which as you can see from the Telstra press release is available right now; while LTE comes onboard in a year or two (and even then, LTE is still technically considered a 3G technology) the expectation that a migration to a complete enhanced packet core should be relatively straightforward.

    I think the problem stems from the original 3G peak data rate definitions of:
    2048kbit/sec indoor office, 384kbit/sec outdoor to indoor/pedestrian mobility, 144kbit/sec vehicular mobility. Through the incremental 3GPP releases, additional capability to the packet/circuit/radio portions have brought more capacity to the user. In order to sound better and more cool, marketing people seem to use 3.xG and 4G to mean something better than the Release 99 version that instantly sounds ahead of the original.
     
  16. dan77

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    What you will find is that Telstra can sell their Next G network at whatever price they want and they don't have to share if they don't want.
     
  17. zerorespect

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    geeeze you guys are a tough crowd.

    i've moved from australia to the middle east for work and i would kill for my 30mbit/s cable connection and 7.2mbit/s let alone access to 21mbit/s early in 2009. you guys really do give telstra a hard time over, yep, being expensive. but under the telecommunications act they are obliged to provide ubiquitous service to every australian (no matter where they are) for the same price as they serve the cheapest customer. before you complain too hard about coverage and what you pay, go and speak to someone who lives in the country where the others don't even serve them because it's not profitable, and by law, if it's not profitable the others don't have to provide any service at all.

    if you're looking for an example or 2 that might make you feel guilty here's a couple for you. if your child gets sick on an outback holiday in australia and it's very serious, they'll send the flying doctors to come and get you. on the plane they'll take your vitals, xray/scan you, take video, and transmit all of it with your medical history to the hospital where the plane is taking you thanks to the nextg network. you're buddies house is burning down or a cyclone has come through your town - guess what? more than likely the command centre, the trucks and the groundstaff are all synching up their data using nextg hsdpa connections. you're working for a mining company out in the middle of nowhere and in you time off, you either drink or gamble or drink and gamble - thanks to telstra working with the mining companies it's more than likely you can call and video call and communicate using the interweb with your family over nextg. the automated sensors and bits and bobs out in the fields, on your train tracks, at your weather stations - how do you think they communicate with each other and with the people responsible for feeding you and keeping you safe?

    sometimes a bit of common sense should be applied fellas - there's more to the data network and the interweb than downloading as much pron as you can followed by every episode of sum-such-and-archey.

    a mum & dad or facebook using family would be more than happy to run on a hsdpa connection or sheesh, even a bog standard telstra adsl. yes, if you want to use your hsdpa connection for leeching it's going to cost you an arm and a leg and a kidney. for browsing, watching some youtube, for doing your "normal work" the plans are fine.

    hsdpa is priced by telstra, the way it is, because quite simply there's only so much bandwidth they can provision out of "thin air" under their license and it get's priced so that it gets used predictably, evenly and, yep, for profit. the other "johnny come lates" price their hsdpa (cheaper) because the experience is so bad, it wont get used anyway - the argument of some use is better than no use prevails.

    while i'm not up to speed on just how much cell capacity was used to deliver the 21mbit/s there is a much larger problem at stake - and that's the backhaul from the towers - it's no use supporting multiple connections of 21mbit/s airside and have it plugged into an "adsl connection" carrier side.

    given the horrible state of the backhaul in use by the competition and given telstra's transition to mpls core and "nextip" network, it's probably fair to assume their a fair way down the track of ensuring a lock tight position on 21mbit/s with the backhaul to support it.

    for those who are uneducated, the device scene for hsdpa is ruled by qualcomm. they make the chipsets that most of the leading brands incorporate into their devices. qualcomm and the device manufacturers have made numerous public announcements about their support for 3.6 and then 7.2mbit/s devices. they also made public announcements that due to the fact that the only 14.4 capable network in the world was telstra (yes, it's 14.4 capable today boys & girls) they would skip that evolutionary step and go straight to 21mbit/s where they would hope that other telcos will get to in 2009. the chipsets themselves are with the device manufacturers and i know for certain of one device manufacturer who's production runs start very soon with first delivery (note: only deliveries) coming to the land down under.

    i'd be less inclined to read the words "telstra" in a public announcement and then rush to type stuff to support a position that demonstrates a pathological hatred for a company if i took some time to understand just how amazing the announcement was.

    in this instance really we should all be applauding telstra as it really is so far ahead of the rest of the world that other telco's are embarressed - say what you like but the nextg network is the king at the moment.

    I'm working in the telco sector overseas atm and the management team over here is bowled over by the announcement (although we knew about it beforehand) as are our competition. it's getting to the stage where telstra can't be used in a discussion within the context of a mobile data operator because you get the feeling that it's so far beyond where the rest of the world is, everyone kind of goes "well who's the second best, can we get close to them?".

    come 3gsm in barcelona there's going to be a 100foot gorilla on one side of the room, telstra, and all of us on the other side of the room.
     
  18. Descartes

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    Nice post zerorespect!

    I'm happy with my ADSL 2+ at the moment. Won't be happy if the internet filtering slows it though, but that's another story.
     
  19. BuuBox

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    Zerorespect, nice perspective.

    Credit where credit is due: the NextG network is very impressive, especially considering the size of the area it covers.
     

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