Avoid High Sierra (10.13) until next version increment

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  1. AfterBurner1

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    True HFS+ is well past it's usefulness but APFS is not going to be much better. they should have gone for a solution close to ZFS and really put the wind up their Dev Teams to make it a rock solid release Day one. (y'know like they used to)

    Agreed I Never Migrate until .2 release usually due to the security patches they missed in the first round.

    Speaking of Which I believe 10.13.2 should already be out at present. now to see if there is a way i can use a third party tool to manually backup my system for my migration from Yosemite.
     
  2. elvis

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    APFS is a CoW filesystem. The major feature missing compared to ZFS is block level checksums. And while that's certainly a big deal, APFS is indeed "much better" than HFS+, for a hundred different reasons.

    We've discussed it in great detail here:
    http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=1195906
     
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    Anyone testing 10.13.2?
     
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    Anyone have updates? Going to reinstall my laptop this weekend, debating between High Sierra and just another Sierra install.
     
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    Brief update fro me.

    macOS 10.13.1 is out, but I'm still getting little freezes every now and then. This is probably due to me picking APFS (encrypted) as the filesystem.
     
  6. miicah

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    Did you do a clean install or an upgrade? Mrs mac mini needs updating and I'm debating which way to go, considering it's a brand new filesystem.
     
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    I did a clean install so I could use the new APFS file system.

    I did not have the freezing issue with 10.12.5 and the default HPFS file system.
     
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    Code:
    keybag_operation:239: read APFS/container keybag (v2, 2 keys, 368 bytes)
    AppleKeyStore: operation failed (pid: 77 sel: 75 ret: e00002ce '-536870194', -1, 100000)
    keybag_operation:239: read APFS/container keybag (v2, 2 keys, 368 bytes)
    Seeing a number of the above errors in dmesg.

    Edit: It references PID 77 which is:

    Code:
    root                77   0.2  0.2  4354324   9348   ??  Ss    6:16pm   0:27.20 /usr/libexec/opendirectoryd
    Edit: it appears the above is a wild goose chase. I'll keep looking.
     
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  9. tobes

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    Zero issues here running a 2011 MacBook pro just updated to the latest this afternoon.
     
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    Out of curiosity, did you format the partition as HPFS or APFS? (I think it defaults to HPFS unless you partition it manually as APFS)
     
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    I was under the impression that it automatically did it for SSDs.
     
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    Not sure about that. Will have to investigate.
     
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    Yep, HS will automatically format any non-spinny drives as APFS
     
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    Can confirm that my SSD is now APFS with no specific intervention on my part.
     
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    Oh snap.

    Paging giles and that other mac fanboi to defend their idol.

    Did Steve plan this all along to promote biometrics over passwords? DUN DUN DUN
     
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    It's great they've made the caching service part of the standard system without needing the server add-on, but they've removed the nice stats page they had for it and the new gui sucks :(
     
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    It's not on by default is it?
     
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    Root account was on by default, Just installing the update for it now.
     

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