Blu Ray vs HD-DVD *Round 1*

Discussion in 'Audio Visual' started by Jm3, Oct 26, 2007.

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  1. Rezin

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    Will PS3s given away with the Sony Bravias count towards Sony's PS3 sales count?
     
  2. The Brad

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    I am sure they will as will HD DVD players now being given away with Toshiba LCDs. Guess its a land grab of sorts.
     
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    From my experience of movies some just are poorly converted to Bluray, To be honest my HD-DVDs all look pretty nice.

    But I can name some Bluray movies that are less then impressive, Gone in 60 Seconds and Goodfellas being two that come to mind quickly. Both of which really put me off.

    Another two that suprised me a little were the first 2 Pirates of the Caribbean movies (havent got the third yet). Both of them I expected to be very colourful and amazing to look at, esp being Disney and all.... but both of them don't hold a candle to Casino Royale on my display.

    Now it's pretty obvious that Casino Royale is the movie that Sony have chosen to market Bluray with. Just like King Kong with HD-DVD and Matrix with DVD.
     
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    LOL.. a sale is a sale... regardless ... and the PS3 is a BR player, like it or not. How clever of Sony and how shortsighted of the HD-DVD crowd to keep going "boo hoo its not fair"
     
  5. stevo4

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    Spiderman 2 is one of the best BD titles I have, and clearly shows off the format to its best. I’m still to get CR.
    Starship Troopers has great picture quality for a 10 year old movie. But I agree with you there seems to be more variance in the PQ of BD titles than the HD DVD titles I have.
    The PQ of the BD version of “HP And of the Order Of The Phoenix”, isn’t bad, but its not anything to write home about either.


    Its also a gaming console, and until it can show significant sales outside the gaming console demograph I would not be to quick to say it was a good move.
    Its with no surprise that Sony having been advertising its capabilities as a BD player, as it has not sold well as a gaming console, not any where near what Sony would have been hoping for anyway.
    And the attach rate is pretty poor compared to HD DVD stand alones, something that will suffer more when good gaming titles start appearing for it in 2008.
    Stringer, the CEO of Sony pretty much summed it up when he said, that the format has momentum and that is all.
     
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    PS3 sales are now numbering in the 600k per WEEK worldwide (not including the USA) - now that the price has come down.

    That's 600k BR players and people that will buy BR titles.

    I don't even play games on my PS3, I bought it exclusively for it being a BR player. There are many more like me.

    The PS3 may be instrumental in BR being the dominant HDF.


    Sorry, what was that? Boo hoo its not fair, again?
     
  7. Head

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    The attach rate is terrible though, there are about 2.5 million (NPD Numbers) PS3 sold in the US but blu-ray movies only seem to sell around the 100,000 mark. So it's pretty obvious they vast majority aren't being used primarily as blu-ray players.
     
  8. DiGiTaL MoNkEY

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    Yes its great that the PS3 is getting more people on board. Whatever the stats are.

    You mean "people that will buy PS3 titles". You have to remember its a gaming console first and thats how people judge its price, based on that. Yes there a people who buy it as a blu-ray player only, but if that was the case then the disc sales for the Blu-ray should be a lot more than they are.

    Yes true, but companies/studios are looking for stand-alone player attatch rates as it gives them stats on how many disks they should produce and expect to sell, this is what studios are looking for in a format. Not gaming console sales.
     
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    Do you have something to back that up?

    Worldwide sales show less than that, about 2/3 rd's of that, per week, even when including the US for the month of December. A lot of what would have been Xmas sales at that, certainly no basis to suggest any where near that figure on a ongoing basis.

    Or is that sales figures for the Wii or Nintendo DS?

    Try looking up a more reliable source b4 making smug comments.:rolleyes:
     
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    Yes software sales of Blu-Ray are well ahead of HD DVD everywhere. America is more like 65/35 (YTD figures) though, definitely not 50/50.
     
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    I walked into JB today they had 2 for 1 Blu-Ray and HD-DVD...or was it buy 2 get 1 free can't remember.
     
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    It's buy 2 get 1 free :D
     
  13. almghty

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    Heres what I dont get.

    I'm actually hoping blu ray win out.

    What I dont get is, I have all these dvds, lotr, spiderman etc and then I realised something. Why would I buy blu ray (or hddvd) titles for that matter?

    I bought my current crop because i loved them in the movie theatre and I have watched them maybe *once* if I am lucky.

    Unless the window between dvd/bluray/hddvd release and the theatre movie comes down to about 1 month, I am in a stage in my life where I cbf any more buying movies that I have already seen.

    I guess I could 'abstain' from going to the movie theatre.

    Is this like a mid'life crisis? Seriously is this what everyone here does?
    You've seen a movie and now you bought it again to watch over and over?
    Or are you abstaining until it releases to dvd?

    I'm asking this because it is a determining factor in the dvd/blu ray debate.
    The other side of the coin is 1080p ripping and download which would impact the success of either medium.
     
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    I do too, but i'm not fussed as long as there is a single format.

    Well if you have a new LCD/Plasma HDTV why wouldn’t you? if there are some great movies you have already on DVD most people re-buy them on Blu-ray to enjoy the fantastic picture quality.

    Most people who have HDM players won't buy the DVD version and will just stick with the HD versions, hence the slow & painful transition begins.

    Will Blu-ray or HD-DVD take over from DVD? yes...eventually...but it will take a lot more time than DVD had to take.

    Nope, either way someone has to buy the disc one way or another :D the studios still get someones money & most people arent that keen on downloading a 25gb or 50gb movie off a torrent.
     
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    Hmm seems like things are starting to heat-up in the format war! Sony's latest move to include free PS3 w/ bravia HDTV is an excellent one, and I read here Toshiba are doing the same with HDDVD...

    My hope is a little more long-sighted than simple movies / content / fluffy white bunnies that dance on the screen when u press a remote control button though - It's only for a very short period of time in a media's infancy that it's used exclusively for Video... Once the format gains ground, data usage becomes cost effective and takes over.

    DVD-Rs are simply too small these days, and HDDVD offers less space than BD-R. As such, i seriously hope the BD camp do well because I'm not just thinking about movies, but the capacity of the recordable media that we'll all be using for data in 2 years time.
     
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    It would have to come down a lot in price by then, as I cant see it being used seriously in business and it is too expensive for the home market atm.
     
  17. MrHanky

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    Just going by past trends.

    CD-Rs started @ ~ $40 / ea.
    DVD-Rs started @ $25 / ea.

    Both of them are worth peanuts these days. I have no reason to believe that once one of the two competing HD standards becomes mainstream, it will also take off for data.
     
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    you never paid $20 for a blank CD-R way back when? (not to mention 1 in 5 discs tended to be a coaster....ahh my lovely 486)
    what about $20 for a blank dvd when they hit?

    to me a $10 BD-R is fine for where the market is right now.

    http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20071225/ps_disc.htm

    both formats are steadily dropping in price....
     
  19. The Brad

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    You have to understand the lifespan of the technology to understand how quickly it will become commoditised:

    CD ~20 years
    DVD ~10 years
    Blu-ray/HD DVD ~5 years

    So you're going to see price erosion much quicker than the previous formats, which we are already seeing out there in the market.

    Actually CD's were well over $100 when burners cost $8000, and were full size external units, not 5.25" internals!

    And DVD Blanks were still $80 wholesale or so when the Pioneer DVR-S201 came out @ $8k, and this was still the 3.95Gb authoring media!
     
  20. stevo4

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    Yes I know the story. I dont need a long winded explanation.

    DVD's and CD's became mainstream.

    BD is not there yet. Nor is HD DVD.
    And I wont be holding my breath for that to happen.
     
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