Broadband a Third World joke...

Discussion in 'Networking, Telephony & Internet' started by corefreak, Oct 20, 2007.

  1. Drunkmunky

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    I see Wilf is still proving to be a muppit in this thread, please Wilf please, just one link with some proven facts is all I ask.

    It's not like the ACCC are picking on Telstra, those regulatory guidelines are there for ALL telco's that sell bandiwdth. Before you say I'm wrong you are going to have to provide proof because I'm sick of your nit picking BS replies.
     
  2. Wilf

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    Already posted, but like all the Telstra bashers who whine like little girls you refuse to fiollow them as you know you will be proven wrong!

    And once again you refuse to answer questions asked here!
     
  3. Herbo

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    You linked us to one page that had heaps of documents on it. The page itself barely has a paragraph on it and doesn't have any answers to anything we've discussed. Feel free though to say "my facts are in document A page 71" and I'll go have a read. Until then you've got NOTHING.
     
  4. dcyloo

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    Is it just me or is Wilf's posts extremely difficult to read?

    He seems to go through a "tried and tested" format:

    Quote a specific set of words
    Blanket statement. End it with "wrong!" or "lies!"
    Quote a specific set of words
    Blanket statement. End it with "wrong!" or "lies!"
    Quote a specific set of words
    Blanket statement. End it with "wrong!" or "lies!"
    Quote a final "closing" set of words
    Blanket close of words.

    Please note - I'm not Telstra bashing. I am commenting on Wilf's choice of post format. After about the 15th post in this thread I started skipping through them because there was not a single thing he contributed to the entire thread. It was like watching Days of our Lives. You could be sick one day, turn the TV on, watch an episode then go back to work. 6 or 7 months later, you are sick again and you watch another episode and the same story has occurred again, yet the storyline is 6 months on from when you watched it.

    Personally, I believe a lot of the reason why we are charged so much is because the consumer base within Australia are willing to pay for it. Yes living on an island and not having the data that people want does cause an issue but that's just the way of imports/exports.

    Telstra is a major importer and distribution network like Linfox Transport. Thing is, Telstra's got so much infrastructure and it's abhorrently expensive for a competitor to create competition infrastructure for service provision. Getting a bit of copper to every single house in all the suburbs and apartments in every city in the country is significantly different to buying yourself a few trucks and having a few drivers drive from one distribution centre to another. Different levels of competition and monopoly power, Telstra have managed to make high prices acceptable for the average consumer.
     
  5. effekt26

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    why are we all telstra bashers and sound little girls who whine? all we are asking for is some fact/link/SOMETHING to backup your statements.

    rather than just saying "already posted" and leaving it at that, how about you actually post something that even resembles a whimp...

    and quit with the "your all a bunch of telstra bashes", or ill be forced to conceed you are indeed a "telstra fuck buddy" who blindly, with no facts, tries to prove a point. a point i might that you will be unable to make, unless some links are given.
     
  6. Wilf

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    Because that is all you do, constantly whine about Telstra!

    Like all whiners here you refuse to answer questions, or back up your own claims yet you expect others to disprove them...

    amd here the whiners go again, resorting to personal abuse and swearing as they have nothing to add to the thread but another whine!

    and when they are given you refuse to follow them...
     
  7. dcyloo

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    For the faint of heart, can I humbly request that you re-link a few so I can go to them please?
     
  8. effekt26

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    your only 2 links...which i might add should only count as one a half, as the second one only links to other documents...

    erm, practice what your preach mate...
    sounds like a personal insult to me...


    no need dycloo, i have done it for him. The first 2 quotes are the only 2 links wilf provides throught this whole thread...
     
  9. dcyloo

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    Thanks effekt26. I'll look at them now.
     
  10. Herbo

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    Just incase you missed it the first time WILF.
     
  11. dcyloo

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    Pipe Networks' response
    Telstra's response

    I've read both documents linked from the ACCC website. Very contrasting reports.

    The 14 page Pipe Networks report very clearly states what the current is, what the current's limitations are and what the propsoal has limitations on and what the proposal should take into consideration for future planning purposes.

    The 134 page Telstra report I can't help but read it as a very scare-mongoring document. It bolds many words that says what people will lose and what Telstra already offers. This document is clearly labelled the Public Version. Perhaps the public version is done specifically with highlighted words to make sure people understand what Telstra are wanting to say rather than allow them to read the words and gain an understanding of their own?

    Both have concerns about the eventual owner of the proposal's results.
    Telstra's document states unequovically that they are capable of providing seamless network upgrades. It's got lots of flashy diagrams and predictions and blanket statements on how service and fault detection/rectification services would be under the plan. Problem I see is how does Telstra know what the management structure and workflow path is going to be? They are making a best guess but the document is very clear in its statements that the mentioned workflow diagrams will be the way it will be.

    Where one document reads well, flows well, is not wordily excessive, provides a point through and expresses concerns, the other document labels blanket statements and states unequovically that things will be bad with the proposal.

    Any discerning reader reading both documents I think would have to take one with a pretty big grain of salt...

    Though after reading these documents one thing is left hanging in my mind. How do they back up Wilf's arguments that Telstra is not gouging the consumer? How is Telstra Wholesale not gouging the competition? Oh and where is the supporting evidence that Telstra owns 47% of the broadband market in Australia?
     
  12. Herbo

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    I'm surprised that percentage isn't higher considering Teltra's resources compared to their competition.
     
  13. banshee343

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    I like the "Telstra fuck buddy" thing to be honest. If we are all whiners then he is most definately a fuck buddy. All those fuckbuddies ever seem to do is make blanket statements about nothing and complain about documents that they linked to many posts ago and keeps reffering to them all the time, yet no one can find them without seriously digging them out. Surely spamming a link is shorter + faster than saying GO READ MY LINKS WHICH ARE IN THE THREAD! over and over, not actually pointing to them.

    Hey telstra fuckbuddy, the facts proving telstra arent ripping us off are over there *points into the general direction of the internet*.
     
  14. Drunkmunky

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    Maybe Wilf IS Sol Trujillo :eek: That certainly would explain some things. And thank you Dycloo for taking the time to read those lengthy documents and provide insight.
     
  15. Wilf

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    Yep, the little whining kiddies are out playing here, swearing and thinking that makes them big, but once again they refuse to answer the questions asked, and refusing to back their own claims up!
     
  16. dcyloo

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    Because I missed some of your posts due to the repetitive nature of them and I tuned in late to a well developed thread, Wilf, please if you could indulge me. What were the questions you asked again?
     
  17. Iceman

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    You're describing yourself here you realise?
     
  18. banshee343

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    You havent asked a question for several posts. All the questions you have asked have been answered by at least one person.

    PS. still cant see the fact about your claim of telstra having 47% of broadband customers!
     
  19. miguel_sanchez

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    Incorrect.

    Whilst i don't think Wilf has done the best job of defending Telstra, at least he hasn't adopted the "Telstra are the devil" attitude that so many people these days have (including myself until i actually put some thought into the issue).

    The fact is telstra are a private business now, people have bought it off our government for a large some of money, and demand a return on their investment, and telstra is doing its best to make sure that happens wether it be in the best interest of this country or not.

    If you people want something to blame for the state of communications technology in australia, blame either the howard government making what should be a government controlled/regulated utility (i.e. what is telstra wholesale) a private entity, or blame the previous government for getting the country into such a debt that it required (did it?) selling off the governments largest asset. Or blame the people that voted either of these governments in.

    If you are that simple that you think the people who bought telstra paid the ga-zillions of dollars that they paid so that you could download your warez and porn faster rather than to earn money on their investment, then you really must have the intelligence of a child.
     
  20. effekt26

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    what questions have you asked of me wilf?

    refusing to back claims up? your refusing back anything up, and now choose to instead try and say other's arent answering any questions... hmmm

    i dont think its a matter of "taking the devil" attitude so much as trying to prove otherwise with no links. As least the side of the argument i choose to sit on, has links in this thread that back these up. Wilf, and im sorry to single you out wilf, but to me, this thread seems your the only one taking a stance with telstra, have not provided any form of evidence to back his claims up.
     
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