Canon 70-200mm 2.8 vs Sigma 70-200mm vs Canon 70-300L vs Canon 100-400L

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  1. GetSmart

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    I'm in need of a new lens school sport/events/general photography to pair with my 5D3. Looking at around $1500 total, definitely can't extend to the Canon 70-200mm f2.8 IS II - laying that to bed from the outset.

    Thoughts on the following setups?

    Canon 70-200mm f2.8 (original) + Canon 2x Extender III

    Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 + Canon 2x Extender III

    Canon 70-300mm L

    Canon 100-400mm L

    My reasoning for the 70-200mm f2.8's + extenders is that I can then also use them for low-light stage performances/low-light indoor sports as well as being generally more versatile.

    I'll be going 2nd hand for the 70-200's and perhaps the larger ones, although the larger focal lengths do not seem to come up for sale as much.

    What would you choose for an all-round school lens, keeping in mind 3/4 of all photos will be at sporting carnivals.
     
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    C'mon mate you know the IS II and the 5d3 will be a match made in heaven.
     
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    A $1000+ more expensive match in heaven ;)

    This lens won't be used to generate much/any income so an extra $1k is a bit tough to swallow. Perhaps if I can convince the principal to let me on-sell photos to the parents then I could look in to dropping that much cash...
     
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    You will be disappointed with the TC combo. If you want 400mm, look at lenses that do it already.
     
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    I've tried researching extender, but results seem to vary.

    The 100-400mm would be ideal for just sports.

    My only issue then is that I don't really have anything else fast to fall back on for assemblies etc (17-40mm/50mm is all that I own for FF). I'd then have to invest in a 24-105 or 24-70, gah too expensive :wired:
     
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    I agree with this. I find the 70-200 pretty good for indoor events, but a bit short for outdoor sports carnivals - and for outdoor sports carnivals, you will want fast AF, which the TC will affect.
     
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    From my reading, the varied results usually relate to IQ - most comments appear to confirm that AF speed takes a hit with a TC. How much of a hit is debatable, and it may be that the reduction is not so much as to be significant - I don't have any personal experience there.

    At similar focal lengths (i.e. 100mm), the 100-400 is max f4, so no different to the 24-105 - you won't lose anything there.

    Obviously, you'll lose a stop (or more) on the 24-70, but the 24-70 would most likely be way too short for assemblies (unless you are going to muscle your way up the front!).

    If you want one lens to do both assemblies and outdoor sports, I reckon that you would be better off with the 70-300 or 100-400, and bump up the ISO for indoor if you need it.
     
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    or the new Tamron 150-600mm looks like a great lens. Not particularly fast but nice IQ and price...
     
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    Googling this topic seem to raise a consensus that the 70-200 IS II and 2xIII extender is a very workable option but the standard 70-200 suffers greatly.
    Maybe try renting a 100-400 and see how it works for you with the large indoor Duties.
     
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    I go to drifting events every month and have a 24-105, 70-200 and 100-400. I use the 100-400 most of the time and only use the 24-105 if I want a wide angle or I am standing close to the cars.

    It really depends on how far away you are from the action, if you want the extra zoom the 100-400 offers, or the faster aperture of the 70-200.

    keep in mind as you wanna do indoor stuff, I've found the 100-400 AF isn't very good in low light. its fantastic during the day, I can't fault it. But I've tried it in low light and sometimes it cant make up its mind. although i have found zooming out to 100mm and then zooming in makes it better.
     
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    Given the high resolution - and therefore cropping ability - of the 5D3 another option may be a 70-200mm + 1.4x extender.

    That combo would allow one stop faster shutter speeds than with a 2x and would provide faster/more accurate AF and probably more pleasing results. You could then simply crop the photos and still retain high enough resolution in the final image.
     
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    I would go the Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 + Canon 2x Extender III for the money..
     
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    Secondhand Canon 70-200/2.8L (non-IS).

    + Secondhand Canon 400/5.6L or 300/4L.

    MickybD's suggestion is also a reasonable one.
     
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    So torn still. I'm just waiting for a bargain to pop up and that might have to be the deciding factory.

    I think two lenses will be needed unfortunately. The 70-200mm 2.8 might be the first one as that will semi-cover most of our major carnivals as I can get reasonably close to the action (swimming / athletics / cross country). It will also double up as a good all rounder and great for assemblies etc.

    I think... haha! Perhaps I can convince the principal to splash out on one (although she just gave me $2.5k for a new edit rig lol)
     
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    Does it play nice with a 2x extender if I go down that route?
     
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    I believe you need to get a Tamron teleconverter but yeah. I remember seeing a post about it on the POTN forums.

    I'll look for it and link you.

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    http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=15906401&postcount=181

    A review mentioning use of a Kenko 1.4x TC - http://dustinabbott.net/2013/07/tamron-sp-70-200mm-f2-8-di-vc-usd-review/

    Some images on flickr that use the 2x Kenko TC with the 70-200 VC
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/coremacfly/13714631643/
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/coremacfly/13714623863/
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/coremacfly/13714603565/

    Should definitely test it out yourself though before buying. Unless it comes from a community I'm more familiar with and more likely to trust I'll always do my own testing.
     
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    Another option instead of a 2x extender is two stacked 1.4x extenders. I have a Canon 1.4x and a Kenko 1.4x and can use them together with my 70-200mm f/2.8 lens. That gives you the flexibility to use just one, or both.
     
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    Hey! Someone that has firsthand experience =)

    How do you find your AF speed with the 70-200mm & 1.4? Would it be acceptable for school sport? Does it AF with Canon and Keno?
     
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    I can also comment on the 70-200mm 2.8 + a 2 x Tc II :thumbup:

    I use that combo on cropped sensor camera. 7D, 50D and 600D.
    I found that focal length to be perfect for motorsport photography without spending $5000+ on a pro lens of that length.

    I am no pro though so me saying that i was happy with the 2x Tele on the 2.8 can be taken however you like.
    More keepers than with a Kenko 2 x Tele and faster AF with the Canon.
     
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