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Concerns about Data Retention, Surveillance and Privacy

Discussion in 'Networking, Telephony & Internet' started by Agg, Jul 18, 2012.

  1. SilentLeges

    SilentLeges New Member

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    My question is, how the hell do they know what we want?

    Its not like they hold a forum where people can voice their concerns and actually be heard?

    ~Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges~
    In times of war, the law falls silent.
     
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  2. Iron_Horse

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  3. qwertylesh

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    Those gubbermint bastards.. They're MY megabytes, you can't have any. :mad:
     
  4. SilentLeges

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    http://www.tomsguide.com/us/FBI-Backdoor-CALEA-Facebook-Obama,news-15090.html

    Very Moving.

     
  5. smiddi

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    These proposed laws align perfectly with ACTA.

    Imaging if your even suspected of downloading a copyright MP3? They could access monitor your traffic, access your PC and then collect the evidence. The "fine" would be "conviently" emailed to you.


    If this was a physical letter, there are already laws in place protecting them from being openned. Whats the difference if its physical or electronic mail?

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  6. Luke212

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    Do they still need a warrant before they can act? if thats the case i dont see a problem.
     
  7. oculi

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    I don't think you understand how this works, the equivalent to use your "warrant" example would be that an agency (neatly) searches your house every day and records everything they find, then if they suspect you of a crime they would go through the records of what was in your house at what time and how this ties in with your crime.

    If they needed a warrant to actually start recording someone's "IP traffic" then i don't think anyone would have an issue but that isn't what is being proposed.

    Or the mail example, an agency opens all of your mail, takes a photocopy of it and geeps it in a file "just in case" - the only difference is the logistics of such an exercise.
     
  8. xEnt

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    INTERNET PROTEST AGAINST THIS CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LEAD US AGG!
     
  9. bobbth

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    I don't believe so...
     
  10. meremortal

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    This is a huge deal.

    Sign the petition.

    http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/p...our-privacy/five-ways-your-privacy-is-at-risk

    Many of you are extremely niave and trusting of government. I'm far far to jaded and cynical now to trust anything that comes out of government other than the knowledge that it's in some government worker/politicians/senators best interest. Justifying jobs, justifying pay increases, justifying budget increases and budget expenditures, winning elections...THAT is what government does.

    Think about it. When you work in large IT whats the one thing management LOVES and ALWAYS wants more of ...

    Data, data, data ... on server uptime, costs, server access, number of clients, number of servers, busy times, graphs, charts, every bit of useful information they can get their hands on to use to justify their jobs, assist in actual work patterns, justifying budgets etc etc

    At best this is simply an exercise in data gathering to solidify and justify roles in government departments that examine and talk about these sorts of data and MAYBE they'll catch some nasty kiddy porner or "terr(Bullcoughshit)orist" .

    At worst this is the beginning of a vast and growing set of intrusive data gathering systems that will track and trace every word of every email and even message sent over the internet. Speak up against it and you'll be seen as a "baddy" who must be doing something wrong.

    Those that want to escape it's clutches will find a way with VPN's and a "dark" internet thus defeating the purpose of it's "anti-terrorism" and "anti-child-porn" etc concepts.

    The small-time and the ignorant will be caught and judged and taxed as per usual (a giant illegal mp3, avi torrent detector) leaving the real problems left to real detection and real work.

    If this gets through it will cost taxpayers millions and do absolutely NOTHING for the security and prosperity of Australia. It will do a lot for the job security of those who implement it.

    It's just like the TSA in the US. By catering for the minority you have imprisoned yourself in a beauracratic, freedomless society and effectively lost the war already...

    Unless that's the end goal. But that's for another discussion

    /end rant.
     
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  11. cvidler

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    I'd have thought it'd be obvious from this, the internet filter, and everything else this government has pulled from their asses. It's clear they DO NOT understand the Internet and it's capabilities.

    Don't waste your time on emails/failbook/online petitions, the gov don't know what they are and certainly won't see them, not give them any credence.

    As above, snail mail your local members. Anything else is a waste of effort.
     
  12. voltare1

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    this comes across heavily like the movie "enemy of the state" If you've watched the movie, you'd understand what I mean, If you havn't, I suggest you hit the torrent sites or your video store and watch this, because its, to many degrees, what can possibly happen here.

    They may say "this is not what we are wanting to achieve" but as the movie goes "whose going to monitor the monitors?"
     
  13. Jehu

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    Logistics could be the big problem here. Correct me if I'm wrong but they want ISP's to keep a copy of all data, not just logs of what you download, right? If they want them to store the data, every 1 and 0, they are going to run into a logistical nightmare.

    Most decent internet plans give you 100-200GB of data per month. Ok, not everyone uses that so say 50% of that is still 50-100GB per month, not including unmetered content. Then you have mobile data on top of that. They might only 5TB of drive space per account for the next 24 months but what happens in the future with the NBN? Everyone is going to want to have more data to handle better content. I'd say buy shares in data centers.
     
  14. digamma

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    I don't think they want the ISP to keep a copy of the data, but a record of what you looked at and where you went, torrent files, email logs, ports and protocols etc. Not a copy of it. As you pointed out, the logistics and expense of storing that for 2 years would be nigh on impossible.

    I hope I'm not just being a nay sayer here, but the reality is that the government came up with this idea, they have something vested in seeing it implemented and there is not a damn thing short of an armed rebellion that will stop it from being implemented. Our opinion won't count for anything. The limited joke we call media in this country won't stand up and say or do anything about it. Unless the opposition blocks it, this will come to pass.
     
  15. bobbth

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    Just emailed my local MP a modified version of Craig_V's email.
     
  16. apap100

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    Wow I hope this doesn't go anywhere could be downright scary if it does...
    I don't usually follow Getup but signed their petition on this one.
     
  17. Glitchlol

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    I'm with this guy. The Empire started off with good intentions, look what they turned into!

    Does anyone else think the construction of the NBN is awfully reminiscent of the construction of the death star?
    How did the Empire sell the idea of a giant moon to it's people anyway?

    Is the NBN just the required backbone so the government can implement a national botnet that they can use to take another country offline?

    :tongue:
     
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  18. RobRoySyd

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    Perhaps on the upside having ceded so much control to the government how can they hold anyone accountable in a court of law for anything we're alleged to have done. One's defence would be simply "The government did it".
     
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    They like all governments understand them perfectly and it scares the absolute crap out of them. They want it to go away.
     
  20. IACSecurity

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    Govt has had this access to letters, faxes and phone calls for decades, under existing legislation.

    Why aren't you all jumping up and down about that? Because they might see your porn? (*cry*)

    Because of the nature of the internet they want equivalent investigative powers on that, that they have had for the last 200 years on alternative mediums.

    Because its a computer, and we think it and all the comms that travels too/from it is ours, we get all precious.


    I find the vast majority of the crap in this thread highly amusing, and ridiculously ill informed.

    Please continue.

    Concept is sound IMO, the issue is in terminology and wording to ensure effective control.

    Flame away, I wear nomex.
     

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