Consolidated Business & Enterprise Computing Rant Thread

Discussion in 'Business & Enterprise Computing' started by elvis, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. PabloEscobar

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    Yeah, I'm a big fan of the Epson hardware. It's almost indestructible (used to work in POS support for Bars and stuff... Seeing Kitchen slips come out of some Epson printer with 2 inches of grease stuck to it, was testament to how good the hardware is.

    But not all software (or businesses) will let you use a Generic/Text only driver... When someone from marketing looks at the brochure from the Vendor that shows receipts with logos on it. There was no stopping them.
     
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    Nothing's free, but it can be a good balance. It doesn't have to be "us vs them" type scenarios. People make the same mistake with money, more isn't better if you lose your work/life balance.
     
  3. Diode

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    In terms of job aspirations I'd say that is sound advice. It sounds by your comments the supply of good Linux admins isn't meeting the demand. I can only imagine that means salaries could reflect this? What would you say the take home salary is for a regular (not junior and not senior) Linux admin?
     
  4. PabloEscobar

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    Giving a bunch of nerds shit to tinker with falls under "making work a less shitty place to be". A good manager will know his workers... Some teams want to go out for beers on Friday afternoon, others would love nothing more than to play with some blikenlights.
     
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    elvis Old school old fool

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    This has been the case in every business I've worked for. Linux skills are in high demand, and businesses see the value in wide scale Linux usage (especially now that "Cloud" is an accepted, and now even demanded thing).

    At the very least, you'll never be paid less as a Linux admin, even as a junior, than your Windows colleagues.

    At the very most, you'll earn several times the salary of a Windows-only person.
     
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    I'm going by the Hays APAC Salary Guide app, it doesn't state junior or senior for this role.


    These are all excluding Super

    Melbourne - Typical 95K (80 - 120K)

    Sydney - Typical 85K (80 - 100K)

    Brisbane - Typical 85K (70 - 100K)

    ACT - Typical 100K (90 - 120K)
     
  7. Diode

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    They don't like Linux in Sydney? lol. Are we sure those figures are correct for Sydney/Melbourne, they seem reversed.

    I guess those ranges are similar to a Windows admin but perhaps you could say there might be a solid 65-70k entry level base of Windows admins in small orgs. Though senior Windows admins being able to command similar amounts of money to automate and manage large Windows fleets.
     
  8. NSanity

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    I'm beating those...

    I'm no Linux guy.
     
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    Are you working in government?
     
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    Well yeah they're either average or median, I can imagine there's quite a few on the upper side
     
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    Nein. Glorified desktop, smb hosting infrastructure and project unfucking.

    Gov isn't hiring directly (some exceptions in a few departments tho) and even if it did, they pay 15% under market rates atm
     
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    My thoughts are both operating environments when you're working in the large/enterprise space need similar talents, whether Windows or Linux you will be rewarded similarly. In more recent times you could say the Windows space has opened up and now using similar tooling as the Linux guys so the skills required aren't too dissimilar. As an example we're about to embark on tooling our server deployments with DSC so we can plug the same infrastructure build code on-prem, AWS or Azure.
     
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    elvis Old school old fool

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    This is biting the US pretty hard. Security boffins get paid 2-3 times as much working for Facebook or Google than they do the feds.

    But I guess, the same thing happens outside of tech too (private security, etc).
     
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    And the shitty part is that you couple that with shitty ability for firing and you've got a workforce motivated by easy money with poor skills in the realm
     
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    I tend to ignore a lot of salary surveys, they always seem incredibly skewed and only show the top end, which lets face it not everybody can be. Its also one of the reasons i like regional work, it pays more.
     
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    I think that people are more willing to talk about their salary if it's a good one too, e.g. our salary thread here on ocau.
     
  17. PabloEscobar

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    The show the average, which can be skewed towards the top end, by people like Spiders George
     
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    having worked for accountants before its truly amazing the amount of people who have no idea what there salary is, and how many vastly overestimate it.
     
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    It's also in Hays' best interest to make people think that there are better paying jobs out there. They make money when people move, not when they're happy in one place.
     
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    My work makes it super inclusive so it looks better than it is
     

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