Consolidated Business & Enterprise Computing Rant Thread

Discussion in 'Business & Enterprise Computing' started by elvis, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. TheOneWhoIsMany

    TheOneWhoIsMany Member

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    I feel so racist...

    My company has a substantial component of our managed services to an Indian arm of the company its amazing how inefficient those guys are. The bean counters love it though for the cost of one Australian resource they can hire 4-5 guys all of them have doctorates in IT and every certification under the sun yet I I feel like one local guy can output more work and achieve better results.
     
  2. Hive

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    Yeah, probably all fake though
     
  3. GreyWolfe01

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    Boss: "What can I do for the least amount of money, especially if it involves being able to put off paying invoices for as long as humanly possible? Oh also, let me kind of tell you how to do your job and be patronising about it while I'm at it. Oh and let me continue down the path of bad business practices and work with zero cashflow because my standard method of dealing with issues is to stick my head in the sand because if I can't see it, it doesn't exist!"

    /fml
     
  4. NSanity

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    thats because they can
     
  5. Lou

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    The Indian degrees and certs don't come with common sense. Which is priceless.

    I bet if the bean counters had to deal with the outsourced developers and their work directly things would soon change.
     
  6. PabloEscobar

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    Why da fuq isn't bean counting outsourced (or automated away)? seems ripe for it.
     
  7. NSanity

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    You're obviously not in the club...

    also yes, 457 work effort would match most finance types...
     
  8. wintermute000

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    key word there being good. You hire the right guy and you're on the money. You hire the wrong guy, back to square one, except now you've spent all the money on high flying Australian wages.

    Much like a lot of managed services/outsourcing I think that its just a form of pushing the risk off onto someone else and spending money to guarantee a mediocre result.
     
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  9. millsy_c

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    I've seen expense departments get replaced with automated systems, v nice.
     
  10. Zedd02

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    These skills are not necessarily built into the Australian degrees either. I dealt with a number of weird things in a few projects I did with developers. Which were really easily solved with communication and common sense. And these weren't like phone call conversations, these were emails with very short and simple bodies.
     
  11. caspian

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    I interviewed someone with a masters of computer science from (I think) the University of Calcutta. she was unable to place a CD into a drive tray, browse to a path I specified, and install a driver.

    I didn't have much exposure to the farce of Indian "certifications" at the time, but I sure have been since.

    I work with a whole bunch of incredibly smart Indian (and Sri Lankan and Pakistani) technology specialists, but the jewels apart, on average I find them as dumb as a box of hammers. the cultural perspective is that they need to be told what to do every single step of the way, because if they just follow instructions, they can't be blamed for anything that goes wrong.
     
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    How does someone whose skills/training are that inappropriate end up in an interview?
     
  13. Lou

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    When I used to call up Telstra to change routes or fix an issue at their end. The technicians on the phone (offshore) could only follow their manual it seems, I basically had to guide them on how to fix the issue from their side.
    Or they say 'yes' to every question, even if they don't understand the requirements. I used to get them to repeat a couple of times what's required and then sometimes they still get it wrong. If I had their email I'd send them network diagrams and guidance.

    No ends to frustration.


    Once you find that brilliant tech, save his details for future issues, saves so much stuffing around.
     
  14. wazza

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    Yep, and that's why we have interviews (hopefully with some tech questions, not just HR buzzword checking). I've interviewed a few shockers - programmers who can't spawn a message box/prompt box even with code examples (including exactly what we needed) available for them to review, desktop support techs with a few years experience that don't know any network troubleshooting aside from "well, I'd check that the cable is plugged in, and maybe run the windows network trouble shooter" and even someone who asked if they could go home and google my questions, then email me with their responses.
     
  15. cvidler

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    Sure you can go home, stay at home.
     
  16. wazza

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    I was probably a bit more gentle in my response back then than I would be now, but basically told them that their answer in person during the interview would be far better for them than an email later. It must have been too subtle because they did go home, google the questions and email me word for word the top result :rolleyes: I'm just surprised that I didn't get a "why didn't I get the job" email later :lol:
     
  17. bcann

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    its called HR people recruiting for IT positions with exactly ZERO technical knowledge, they have their checklists and think "hmm, has a masters they must be good mentality". In my experience, experience trumps paper everyday of the week, and twice on sunday.

    But you can't tell HR that.
     
  18. GreyWolfe01

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    Welcome to every recruiting firm and HR person out there, bar about 0.5%
     
  19. NSanity

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    PSA time
    so people, you may not know this

    But my professional opinion has long been that AVG is cancer and you shouldn't use it. Today it has been confirmed, that even when you pay money to AVG in super mega ultra business edition. its fucking cancer

    so, Don't use AVG

    use MS Security Essentials/Windows Defender if you don't want to pay for it.

    If you do want to pay for something, send me $40/year and i'll sing sweet nothings in your ears then install Windows Defender/Security essentials
    END PSA

    For business use, where someone is *actually* going to read reports. Use SEP or something. Not AVG. Ever.

    as as aside, how is F-Secure? I have a lot of respect for Mikko - he's a pretty smart dude who likes to talk about cool stuff. Is his product good tho?

    because i feel like elaborating.

    Issue 1. Its license update time (wtf, just work you jerks - like every other enterprise AV). Install license on "central server" 8/12 clients work. 3 work after you re-install. last one requires first rate lobotomising to make work.

    This has happened across 3 clients.

    Issue 2. AVG WANTS UPDAT. click updat. AVG WANTS UPDAT. click updat. AVG WANTS UPDAT. click updat.

    seriously, get your shit together Avg.
     
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  20. millsy_c

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    I still have zero idea why orgs waste money on crap like SEP/AVG/whatever. If you're on Windows, use defender and put your AV budget towards a 'next gen' tool like carbon black or cylance or whatever.

    And for the love of Christ stop reporting AV stats to people, who cares about what you blocked, the only important measure is what you missed and how long it took you to find and respond.
     

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