Consolidated Business & Enterprise Computing Rant Thread

Discussion in 'Business & Enterprise Computing' started by elvis, Jul 1, 2008.

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  1. ^catalyst

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    Interesting read :

    Most software engineers in India can't engineer software

    I'm actually dealing with this at the moment, a company we deal with is getting some work done by one of these developers and I'm stuck in the middle.

    I've never seen so much work done for such a small change in my life. On top of all of it the job is integrating against a very well documented public API; it would have to be one of the easiest specs to read in the entire world.

    Must have had 30 emails from the company "Why doesn't work?", response is always "Doesn't meet api spec, please see $specUrl"

    Colossal waste of time.
     
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    much better to groom a few overseas programmers than to try and hire large teams. ie a couple offshore programmers managed by an onshore programmer. many people have found out they are not a silver bullet!
     
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    :rolleyes: When you write the code and can't figure out why your code doesn't work then you are not a programmer, likewise if you cannot test your code properly before release... just fuck off and work at maccas.

    send them 2 links.

    1. Public API documentation.
    2. lPostman or curl

    And tell them to debug their shitpile of code because that is what you are paying them for!

    ARK!!! I hate people asking why something that is used by (guessing) millions of people just happen to be broken because their little scripty doesn't work with said API.

    /RANT
     
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    A lot of people I know are starting to see a shift away from India due to everything that's 50% cheaper per hour taking 4x the hours to complete, and then needing to be fixed locally afterwards anyway. Can't come soon enough.
     
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    Delivery? What Delivery? I don't have anything here... Where's my stuff?
     
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    Found out we were spending thousands on low-quality video sharing portals today (and not for anything with any security/confidentiality requirements either. All banal crap).

    I questioned why we weren't using the locked down YouTube channels we get with every single account we pay for to save these thousands. The response was "it's too difficult".

    I reminded the same audience that my 11 year old daughter maintains her own YouTube channel. The response: "Yeah, but that's your DNA, so it's different and doesn't count".

    TIL: children could replace grown adults I work with, they don't even consider that concerning, and will rationalise it away with little effort.
     
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    Not sure if you should be proud or insulted.
     
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    HyRax1 ¡Viva la Resolutión!

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    Invariably these are the same people who have never even looked at it to know how simple it is, and when you finally show them just how simple it is, they come up with more random excuses like "Oh, this other guy showed me before and it looked more complex than that", or "Oh, YouTube must have improved since the last time I looked at it", or "Oh, I thought that the easy version was a paid version or something".

    Sigh.
     
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    elvis Old school old fool

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    TBH, the overriding emotion right now is that I need to find a better/smarter collection of people to work with. As much as I love the creativity, I really need to work somewhere where more than 5% of the staff have basic logic skills.

    Could be just a bad month, but it's really tiring. Maybe time for a holiday.
     
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    twiddling my thumbs waiting on supermicro kit.
     
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    If you're in the top 5% of the population intellectually (which you almost certainly are) then good luck with that. You don't get to be in the top 5% without the other 95% sucking by comparison. Almost regardless of company I'd say. And fact is most of the top 5% have spent their intellect specialising in one area to the exclusion of most common sense and logic anyway.
     
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    elvis Old school old fool

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    That assumes the same ratios exist across all businesses evenly. I bet Tesla and Google don't have these same ratios.

    But there's no Tesla or Google in this country, because "digging rocks out of the dirt".
     
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    Tesla/Google are the exceptions that prove the rule. There's very few of those places. Unless you want to look at a start up, but be prepared to hop jobs every other week as they get bought out by large investment firms/corporates and die, or fail and die.

    dealing with the 95% is the hard part of the job.
     
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    don't let your comms/infosec guys look at the ipmi solution/traffic.
     
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    My issue is not how few there are overall. My issue is how there are zero in this country thanks to our national outlook on how unimportant investment in computer science is. It frustrates me that in order to work for a place like that, I literally have to uproot my entire family and move countries.

    The issue is not how "hard" it is. The issue is my own satisfaction at whether I can be happy dealing with watching a business piss away millions of dollars per year because they have to hold the hands of staff who aren't up to the task of doing the clever things we could be doing to push past our competition.

    I find zero satisfaction in babysitting "afraid of change" types. I totally get that it's precisely the thing that sets apart good business from bad business - being able to co-ordinate a large and diverse group of humans into achieving a singularly focused goal. But hand on heart, I take zero enjoyment from that. I make no bones about my impatience with regular human beings.

    I take no satisfaction from herding sheep. I get that others do, and I get that it's ultimately the true "secret to success". But it brings me absolutely no joy. The downside is that, where I work currently, we have no shepherds. I've worked in places where those folks exist as a very nice conduit between the people coming up with amazing ideas, and the grunts applying those ideas. And despite other things that may or may not have been frustrating about the place, having a nice buffer between me and the people who can't deal with clicking the "upload video to YouTube" button was quite pleasant.

    I feel like at one end of the business I'm designing the next sports car, and at the other end of the business I'm dealing with people afraid of even sitting in the passenger seat. Sometimes I can just ignore those folk, and they naturally fall to the wayside with their inability to keep up. But sometimes it boils down to a single individual who hold back the entire company. And that frustrates the living fuck out of me.
     
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    I've worked with engineer types (one of the supposed paragons of logic and intellect - as opposed to your current creative field) and they were largely idiots too. Outside the insulating bubble of their speciality, most were one small step up from "duh where's the any key" level of idiocy. Successful in their fields mind you.

    Tesla, Google and co - theoretical maybe. Once a company gets big enough (and I don't even mean particularly big) capitalist forces reign and that goes hand in hand with MBAs and dickheads etc. The ratios may differ from place to place but the basic principle remains I'd say.
     
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    Go work for a small startup. There are tesla/googles here, they are just small. Probably take a hair cut pay wise though.

    Eg here in Adelaide there are two companies I know of, one makes self driving tractors and self driving mine cars. The other makes threat recognition AI that can run on just about anything that has a camera.
     
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    Are these still startups? They actually have customers and make a profit on sales (ie aren't running of venture capital), if my sources are correct.
     
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    I work at a "startup" that is a now established business. Very little overall retardation, best place I've ever worked tbh.
     
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    There's risk in startups of course. That's the flip side. My partner was with a really promising one, and I almost jumped on the bandwagon, but then the startup's mastermind made one rather major finance-related fuckup, did not pass go, did go to jail, and it was liquidated.
     

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