Consolidated Business & Enterprise Computing Rant Thread

Discussion in 'Business & Enterprise Computing' started by elvis, Jul 1, 2008.

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    elvis Old school old fool

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    These "robot surgeons" are still driven by humans, but can be done remote. That means no need for surgeons in many remote locations, and no need for patients to travel long distances to get specialised surgery. It also means one surgeon can operate on a wider array of people than just their local area.

    Again, it doesn't replace a human. But it means fewer are needed to treat more people.

    This video demos a grape inside a glass jar, similar to human keyhole surgery. The robot-assisted surgery here is peeling the skin off the grape, then suturing it back on.



    How the surgeon controls the robot. Many of these have fairly accurate stereoscopic displays to give the surgeon a proper sense of depth.

     
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    The robotic surgeon's assistant has a lot of potential for neurological & spinal / orthopaedic surgery as well. Machines are very good with accuracy and tight tolerances, compare that to YouTube videos of surgeons explaining a vertibray disc replacement procedure and how they shit themselves every time they hammer the new disc into place - too much force = damaged spinal cord.
     
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    Absolutely. Robots can take big, macro, human movements and scale them down for things like microsurgery, or up for things like labour/construction/rescue. The "enhancement" capabilities are enormous.

    And that's all physical. The philosopher Sam Harris (and many others) talk about machine assistance at the mental level. And to a point, it's what we have now. There's a lot of things in my life I don't need to know or practice, because I can look them up online quickly, get the information I need, apply it, and forget it immediately (and it frustrates me no end when I meet people who can't do this, and as a result are slow and useless). Not just in my I.T.-centric life, but anything I do day to day. Hell, I'm at a point now where I don't bother even looking up where businesses and shops are, and just GPS my way to everything.

    Once all of that is more deeply integrated, whether it's an overlay of sorts (glasses, contacts), or something more directly connected to us, that's what it'll get even more interesting.
     
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    well good thing MAGA is going to screw up their H1B masterplan.... because either that's the goal, or they're certifiably insane
     
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    I really want to jump over to being a sysadm but stuff like this makes me sad
     
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    IF you told 15 year old me in 1980 that I would be walking around with a computer in my had that could make phone calls and video phone calls, read all my messages and take photos and videos and share them instantly with my friends, while it records how many steps I made and with the help of a wrist band record my heart rate, blood pressure and O2. Well fuck me I would think you where a loon, and remind you that according to the 50s we where meant to be living on the moon, and NASA had just canned the space shuttle.

    Now, think about this, all the sheep are using voice activated search, and we are seeing the start of computers interfacing with humans without structured commands, BEGINNING to comprehend human communication nuances. Computers are learning pattern recognition to the level that they can distinguish people from objects and learn what a car, bike, bus and truck etc are. In 30 years time who knows what patterns "AI" will be able to distinguish, yes "AI" to me would be abstract thought which hasn't been demonstrated, current AI is no more impressive then manufacturing machinery, you know the automated stuff from the 80s that could never replace a human worker.

    Smart algorithm based computing, "AI", is a reality today and will only be more impressive in 40 year time as the mobile phone is to 15 year old kid from 1980 today.
     
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    FMD all them certs for $9.50/hours..... i guess offering so low an income allows them to say that nobody (In their right mind for them $$$ and that much experience/certs) would apply for that, so then they can outsource. Judging by that second last line, they are obviously getting a shitstorm for offering so low and asking so much....
     
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    100% H1B bait. There are entire firms that specialise in these sorts of things to make jobs as distasteful as possible to locals.

    Add it to the long list of reasons I'd never work in the US.
     
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    Sysadminning will no longer be a lifelong career, especially if you are at the start of your career lifetime. To be honest i am thinking i'll get maybe 15 more years out of it, and i'm nearly 40.... and even 15 years is a stretch...
     
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    You'll be right mate, can't see anything smart coming out of Redmond that would facilitate your removal.
     
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    Self-driving cars may be better than _some_ humans driving the car. I had a conversation earlier in the week with a co-worker who would be in her 20s, she has had 4 cars written off in accidents already since she has been driving - none were her fault. But at the same time, I asked that whilst not your fault do you drive defensively, she didn't understand what I meant by that.

    Is it possible that AI can close some of that gap, maybe with enough time, but it still won't be able to think in an abstract way like humans do. I think the future is more of a co-existence, whereby AI assists humans in doing tasks.
     
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    Sysadmin we we know it won't be there 15 years later, but it will still be there just doing somewhat different things
     
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    There will always be businesses that won't\can't move their data onto other peoples servers so I think medical\finance will still require your standard sys admins
     
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    I'm still waiting for my flying car.
     
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    I want my jump pack dammit
     
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    Still waiting for:

     
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    I'm still waiting for my hoverboard, and not some marketing crap stuck to an electric skateboard or an electromagnet with an extension lead.
     

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