Consolidated Business & Enterprise Computing Rant Thread

Discussion in 'Business & Enterprise Computing' started by elvis, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. Scarpetta

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    I don't ride a motorbike because I will kill myself. Automated cars I can handle. There's more between my face and the road than a scooter or bike.
     
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    Surgeons also note increased representation in the stats.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12263245
    "E-scooters appear to pose an increased risk compared to other wheeled vehicles; likely due in part to the speeds possible and their inherent instability"

    But that's not techcentric, that's product design and policy/regulation.

    The real question is, should we accept the replacement of human error with robot error? I don't think so. If you make your own mistake you can own the fault, come to terms. If a machine fucks you, then out comes the sledgehammer.

    Stats don't show that.
     
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    elvis Old school old fool

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    So, in today's news...

    https://github.com/buildo/react-components/pull/1367

    https://dependabot.com

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    I looked into that and whilst there was some automated stuff, it didn't read as automated as it sounded, especially around the vulnerability bit.

    Still, progress!
     
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    Honestly, it's not much different to a CRON job running "yum -y update" / "apt-get dist-upgrade -y" against your code base.

    But with that said, every single software stack I trip over these days is filled to the brim with code that's dangerously out of date. We jump up and down about patching vendor supplied stuff, but I can't name a business that doesn't have their own internal stuff depending on code with known vulnerabilities that falls under the "trivially patchable, but nobody has the time" type situations.

    Current position is an interesting mix of people complaining that "they're the only one who can build the tools" while at exactly the same time utterly rejecting basic team-enabling things like better version control tools coupled with CD/CI. It's almost like they really, really like complaining about being "forced" into being gatekeepers. :)
     
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    But the hipster solution is to write code then wrap it in some form of container so that it can continue to use said outdated packages because maintaining dependencies is hard... :rolleyes: and chroot is even harder... :rolleyes::rolleyes: and defensive programming is old fashion... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    I said out loud to a room full of developers the other day that developers only know how to fix things one way: by writing more code that will one day be unmaintained.

    Lots of dirty looks, but not a single one could challenge the statement (except one fine fellow far along the spectrum, but he doesn't get much, and typically ends up storming out and not coming back for days anyway).
     
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    They fix things?
     
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    They think they do. That's the problem.
     
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    yet you advocate...
    which just uploads more code... :shock:
     
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    My approach to things is a little more ruthless, and in favour of breaking insecure things on purpose.

    I drink from a cup of LOB/BAU tears.
     
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    you are a hipster porgrammer... ;)
     
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    irony explosion.
     
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    he writes all his code in excel.
     
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    True story: last place I was at, the previous IT manager forced the juniors to copy/paste switch config out of an excel spreadsheet.

    He'd tell them they couldn't apply the config until he checked it, and everything had to be submitted for review in excel.

    That same IT manager had a meltdown and vanished without a word or a trace months later. Everyone was surprised that he was mentally ill. I was all "yeah.... it was kinda obvious".
     
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    i'm looking at an excel spreadsheet right now that has router configs in it for all of our sites.
    it''s a lookup table that then lets you pick a site and it generates the config for you to copy and paste.
    The bulk of the config never changes just the site specific stuff (IP's hostnames etc).
    I don't think we use it anymore anyway.
     
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    Pretty much, as you say though people keeping shit up to date is enough of a challenge it's worth celebrating the small wins :)
    What would be awesome is a SAST tool flagging stuff, some sort of luke212 token ring aibot fixing the code and farming it out to the unit tests, and a human doing a final QA before it goes to prod.

    Fix the easy issues first.
     
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    Perhaps it wasn't your intent, but it's a bit distasteful to imply that using Excel is a symptom of mental illness.
     
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    It was my attempt to both imply it and to be distasteful.
     
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