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Consolidated Business & Enterprise Computing Rant Thread

Discussion in 'Business & Enterprise Computing' started by elvis, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. bcann

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    #YOLO

    Did i cloud well?

    throw in a chmod 777 as well ;)
     

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    setting permissions is hard ok.
     
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    elvis Old school old fool

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    "Work" is a pretty interesting thing. Step back from what we all do day to day, and look at the broader trajectory of our species.

    I'm going to get pretty philosophical here, because that's how I roll. But bare with me... I'm going full rant. (Note - this post is 100% me bullshitting. Please feel free to ignore it).

    I believe strongly in the concept that we were not put on this earth to pull levers and push buttons. Specialisation in rote tasks is for insects. Our greatest strength as a species is our ability to learn and adapt - not like other species mind you. We adapt by changing things around us with tools, rather than changing ourselves. This has been by far the strength of our species, over and above any other that we've witnessed on this planet.

    This has brought us an incredible explosion of success for us. One that has come with some hefty costs mind you, but if you were to graph our existence from whatever arbitrary "upright man" you want to label as the first real human to today, you'd be plotting a course of about a million years of almost flat line to 10,000 years ago of agriculture, 150 years ago of electricity, 50 years ago of computing, and then skywards from there. Exponential growth out the arse.

    With that has come a similar radical change that our species has over any other - information exchange. Most other species exchange information internally - i.e.: through DNA and evolution. We bypassed that quite some time ago, and beyond all else our external information exchange, particular that which extends both individual life span and individual capability, has been the biggest contributor to our success. This comes down to two major factors - information storage, and information interpretation. How we write shit down - the symbols we use for the different areas of knowledge we care about, and how we interpret that - the sharing, the access, the understanding, the replicating, the improving.

    These skills - particularly the interpretation part, are critical to our successes as a species. We lump them under terms like "literacy", which can include specific subjects ("computer literacy", for example), but the broad scope is that information stored is useless without the smarts to retrieve, interpret and effective utilise the information after that point. All of us in this thread are intimately familiar with information, because we are all Information Technologists.

    Back to work. What is work? A means to an end? A way to keep people too busy to rise up? A unifying method of getting different thinking beings to all drive towards the same goal? Perhaps all of the above at once. My personal belief is that work is, and needs to be, more than pushing buttons and pulling levers. Well beyond that is our very responsibility as the dominant species on this tiny rock hurtling through time and space to make work meaningful. As a wise person once said to me - the meaning of life is a meaningful life. And while "meaningful" has different levels and values to each person, I would argue that for each person there is an element to meaningfulness of improvement. We all want better. We all want less suffering. We all want peace. Some of us go about it in stupid and selfish ways, not realising that our desire to better our close surrounding makes it worse for all of us combined. But arguably I believe that nobody is out to make their own lives worse on purpose (regardless of if they do).

    Coming down from the clouds and landing back in reality - we work. We have to. Here in the western world in 2020, capitalism is the ruling dogma, and money is the way we trade the things we need for the things we have that others need. It kind of works (there's glaring downsides), but regardless, it's here and it's what we have right now. Considering the many paragraphs above, how do we work? We get together in groups, we share information, we calculate and store new information. We wrap technology around this information to improve it - Information Technology. We strive to make the information more reliable, less prone to breakdown (whether accidental or malicious), to ensure that the right people can get to it and the wrong people can't.

    Critical to this whole process are people. Regardless of technology, people are the reason for the information, and information is the reason for people. We couldn't be here without it, and vice versa. It is utterly critical that, outside of the technology, people have the correct merit - both moral and intellectual, to deal with information. This distinctly requires a minimum level of skill to achieve. I couldn't pluck an adult out of the middle ages and insist they work on modern tools. In our own societies we spend huge amounts of time bringing humans up to speed from a very early age to deal with this exponential explosion of both information and information technology in ways that make them not just survive, but improve on what we have on offer.

    All of this requires time and money. Critical resources in the modern world, and resources that aren't unlimited. Wrapped up as a measurement of work output in a given field, each company is a larger unit of work. We measure their efficiencies and value in vastly different ways, but arguably money in its criticality to represent time and work are key points.

    Workforce skill is key to that. Low skilled people, particularly those who are intentionally so, are the antithesis to all of this. They damage our work, they damage our information, they damage our entire species. Short term, long term, always. Central to every threat to our species - central to climate and disease and a great deal of things - you'll find stupid people. People not willing to improve, not willing to learn, not willing to adequately use the incredible privilege handed to them at birth that is a million years of information storage and processing. People unwilling to do what so many did before them, and improve on that to make the next generation's existence an improved one. People not willing to do something meaningful.

    What's my interest in workforce skill? It's an interest in our very existence. People not willing to improve themselves every day are the single biggest problem we face today. They are the root cause of every other problem we have as secondary results. Whether small picture - looking at company profits, small efficiencies and local outcomes, or big picture and the fate of the planet. It starts with workforce skill.
     
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    Damn that's kinky.

    Hey i put exchange 2013 in aws. is that cloud enough for you?
     
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    this is actually amazing. And I have 110% confidence that not only is this true, but that it happened within 12 months of today - namely knowing full well that both Ex2016 and 2019 are out and stable.
     
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  6. Hive

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    Cloud just means paying someone else for their computer. This was done for hybrid transition to 365 reasons in a very stupid and questionable almost luke212'esq kind of way. Still funny though.
     
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    NOTE: Post heavy on opinion.. won't be citing any studies or literature to justify what I am saying...

    The human race has for its existence rested its laurels on the talented, interested and driven. These individuals of our society has pushed the boundaries and have marked in history how the human race as evolved. From the first humans that discovered fire through to the first humans that discovered electricity we have as a species relied on leaps of technology provided by individuals.

    Humans as a whole are consumers. But consumption drives innovation. Work then is a means to drive the economy, drive consumption and ultimate drive innovation. Having 30-40% (which may be a mean figure) of your workforce consist of idiots is just part of doing business... Its unavoidable and unproductive but its not like we can place them in the corner with a "dunce" hat picking their noses. Having a 100% effective workforce I think is just to much to ask...
     
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    I don't at all disagree. But I think your "40% dead weight" figure is *very* generous. I'd be deliriously happy with 50/50, and I think that could well be a pipe dream.

    And on a personal note, having had the luxury of working in businesses where dead weight was quickly culled, the sheer velocity of not being tied down by human boat anchors was exhilarating. It's very difficult to go back to "average" when you've tasted "excellent".

    Hence my continual drive to never accept mediocrity, nor the progress-slow industries around it. If I'm going to spend five sevenths of my adult life working on causes not directly of my choosing, I'm not going to put up with people who slow me down.

    I challenge that. Move them aside. Give them "bread and circuses", and let them idle their time. I think some businesses would absolutely be more productive with fewer staff who didn't need endless training wheels and kid gloves.

    Ask me why I'm pro UBI.
     
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    Don't we already have social welfare and reality TV for that?
     
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    I don't think it's enough. More than that, I think it's counter productive to initiative.

    UBI works differently, and more efficiently. It takes away the read tape of current social systems, and incentives independence.

    Much like large scale audits of public transport some years ago that demonstrated most bus and train services would run at less of a loss if offered for free and with the bulky human administration workforce removed, I think our social services are the same. Implement UBI, dramatically reduce the current social services workforce, incentivise independence without penalty (i.e.: start a legitimate business, and you won't lose your welfare cheque).

    I know this scares the shit out of two demographics - notably anyone who grows very wealthy off low skill human labour, as well as the delusional "I work hard I deserve money" types who can't distinguish personal luck and timing from actual effort. But their fears are not my concern. More to the point, and we've touched on this several times in this thread and others - the automation revolution is upon us. At some point we're going to need to choose between one of two directions - either we force people to do pointless jobs to keep our paper thin capitalist dogma afloat, or we let go and allow people the chance to innovate freely.
     
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    I'm just trying to imagine Uni/High school level elvis being forced to participate in group projects ......... and go
     
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    My children all lament their highschool group projects are them doing all the work while their mates fuck around all lesson, contributing nothing to the project.

    I'm torn. Do I feed them the lie my parents told me that "it'll all be better when you leave school"? Or do I hit them with the crushing reality that this is going to be the rest of their lives?
     
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    My kids have recently turned 15 (Twins) and the last 6 months this has pretty much been their observations. i just tell it as it is, which is basically most of high school is a waste of time teaching little in the way of real world values and practises.
     
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    I've told mine that it's critically important for them to finish high school, but not to make it their shining moment of glory to hold on to. Their job is to keep their heads down and shut up until it's over, and from that point on they can take the handcuffs off and do whatever the hell they want.

    It's hard. They've inherited some of the worst traits of both myself and my wife. Traits that will get them in lots of trouble now, but make them successful in later life. And in the same breath, it's terribly sad that formalised education aims to snuff out the features that we want in later life, like questioning poor decisions and achieving innovation (which, as the old saying goes, is nothing but "successful disobedience").
     
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    I still lean on the schools teach what to think, rather then how to think. Thats great for a society in which you want to control the population, but it doesn't breed innovation, cause everyone does everything the same old way, instead of the risk takers who think outside the box.

    Quite frankly it causes me to giggle this little image i've had in my head during this conversation of Ye old neolithic age man, and his son, with the older man shaking his fist and screaming that there are too many people playing with fire, and its gonna cause lazyness/blindness and all other kinds of BS, and the younger guy cooking his meat and eating more and being better off.

    well something like that anyway.
     
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    Keep talking like that elvis and you're going to get yourself black bagged some day :p
     
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    Aahaha you got me I was being generous!!!

    Yeah, see the 50% of dead weight in an organisation isn't always in the "bread and circuses" spectrum.... Some of them are E level and C level. Would be hard pressed to sit these obnoxious dunces in the corner.

    UBI is a great idea but it would be a brave government that would introduce that... think of the outcry from the right lol
     
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    Yeah, I'm waiting for it.

    See above. :)

    I genuinely wonder what they get out of their roles. Are they just in it for the money? Do they like the control? I wonder what drives them.

    I mean, if I had millions in the bank, I'd bloody retire and do something fun. I don't need to keep earning millions to do interesting things.
     
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    Get them ahead of the curve. If they can handle the reality of it now then they won't spend the next X number of years waiting for it to get better. Instead they can get on with it and work around the challenges they face
     
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    They don't call it that any more, they call it "disruptors"...
     
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