Consolidated Business & Enterprise Computing Rant Thread

Discussion in 'Business & Enterprise Computing' started by elvis, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. OP
    OP
    elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Messages:
    43,082
    Location:
    Brisbane
    Yes. main.cf is just as complex as registry hacking. But nobody configuring postfix for realz is frothing over how GUIs are better tools. That's the joke.

    I feel like you're missing the point of all of this, and it's getting boring. Perhaps I need to seek a smarter audience to make fun of, because explaining this thrice is killing my boner.

    Or maybe I just need to wait 25 years. Twitter is ablaze today of people installing Windows 95 to celebrate it's anniversary, and everyone's complaining how stupid it is to need to reinstall an entire OS to fix things, and/or TCP/IP stack to make basic changes. When I said the same thing 25 years ago, I was the bad guy for insulting the "user friendly" OS.

    So maybe folks just need a quarter century to cool off, and objectively understand how shitty their preferred software really is.
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2020
    theSeekerr likes this.
  2. theSeekerr

    theSeekerr Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2010
    Messages:
    3,553
    Location:
    Broadview SA
    Some of my oldest memories of using a computer are of using Norton Ghost to image and re-image PCs because Windows 95 was such a heap of shit that just getting your hardware drivers installed could bork the system enough to require a reinstall, and a reimage was a lot faster than a reinstall. I would have been...6 or 7?

    (My very oldest memories of using a computer are of Microsoft Paintbrush, circa 3.0. Twas a different time)
     
    Hive likes this.
  3. OP
    OP
    elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Messages:
    43,082
    Location:
    Brisbane
    There's still a lot of that left over even today. Wander through the Windows subforums here and you get folks who think it's weird that people don't re-install their entire OS every six months.

    Quite alarming that people ever thought it was "normal" to require that, and even more alarming that it persists today.
     
  4. chook

    chook Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2002
    Messages:
    3,789
    Is there not a managed service you can get to maintain your boner on a cloud?
     
    CptVipeR likes this.
  5. melatonin

    melatonin Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2012
    Messages:
    609
    I know people that do this with OSX and Linux cause they are so used to doing it with windows. I ask them why 'cause clean install'
     
    elvis likes this.
  6. Rass

    Rass Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Messages:
    3,099
    Location:
    Brizbekistan
    yep... and as a follow on, an acceptable solution to instability or unexpected behaviour is to restart.
     
    elvis likes this.
  7. OP
    OP
    elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Messages:
    43,082
    Location:
    Brisbane
    Yet they'd probably never do it with their phones due to "the inconvenience". Ironic.

    What's pornhub's SLAs like?
     
  8. chook

    chook Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2002
    Messages:
    3,789
    Guaranteed 2 minute resolution.
     
    Rass and elvis like this.
  9. PabloEscobar

    PabloEscobar Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2008
    Messages:
    14,356
    The GUI that was so shitty that every linux GUI tried to copy it?

    Cattle, not Pets, Win95 was ahead of the curve.
     
  10. OP
    OP
    elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Messages:
    43,082
    Location:
    Brisbane
    *Every* Linux GUI? Including the ones that existed before Windows 95?

    Not a bad effort if they cloned it before it existed. Props to TWM, FVWM, GNUStep, Motif/MWM, and CDE for implementing time travel.
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2020
    cvidler likes this.
  11. theSeekerr

    theSeekerr Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2010
    Messages:
    3,553
    Location:
    Broadview SA
    I mean, kudos for the free labour, but I'd be way more excited if they'd implemented time travel. And packaged it as a library.
     
    elvis likes this.
  12. OP
    OP
    elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Messages:
    43,082
    Location:
    Brisbane
    Goddamn it. The combined 8 hours sleep I've had in the last 3 days is catching up with me.
     
  13. chook

    chook Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2002
    Messages:
    3,789
    I hear you. I am on a bunch of NA projects at present which doesn't mean you get to sleep during the day just that you don't get to sleep.
     
    elvis likes this.
  14. PabloEscobar

    PabloEscobar Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2008
    Messages:
    14,356
    B&EC in a nutshell.

    Pick the eyes out of specifics in examples, while utterly ignoring the points they are being used illustrate.
     
    Hive, BAK and bcann like this.
  15. theSeekerr

    theSeekerr Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2010
    Messages:
    3,553
    Location:
    Broadview SA
    So what exactly was your point again? Cos what I read was "the Linux GUIs after Windows 95 must be copying Windows" and...no, not especially?

    Popular Linux DE's like KDE defaulted some themed elements and interface conventions to be Windows-like to save the effort of teaching new ones, but they didn't really work especially like Windows and were copying a lot of ideas from Mac OS System 7/8, GEM, IRIX, NeXTSTEP, BeOS, Amiga Workbench...and they were themeable to look like any of those and more if, again, you care more about how it looks and less about how it works.
     
  16. PabloEscobar

    PabloEscobar Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2008
    Messages:
    14,356
    My initial point was related to Mocking windows for having a registry full arcane collection of keys, values and paths, while lauding Linux for having a simple text based config files, despite them being a horribly mess of keys, values and paths. - Neither are arcane if you work in them all the time, both are arcane if you're looking at them for the very first time.

    My GUI point, more succinctly put, was related to KDE and Gnome very much copying Windows 95 VERY shortly after, AND using that as a major selling point (when "year of linux on the desktop" wasn't a meme), not that "All Linux Guis since 95 have copied Windows".
     
    bcann likes this.
  17. chook

    chook Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2002
    Messages:
    3,789
    I read the point of the original post that both Windows and Linux have arcane text based configs yet Microsoft (historically, to be fair) has mocked the idea of such occult configuration methodologies.
     
    elvis likes this.
  18. GumbyNoTalent

    GumbyNoTalent Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2003
    Messages:
    9,342
    Location:
    Briz Vegas
    Because... Windows was first? Perhaps we need to revisit history and stop watching Bill Gates and Steve Jobs bio pics, me thinks.
     
  19. OP
    OP
    elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Messages:
    43,082
    Location:
    Brisbane
    Well yeah. I'm here for the pedantry.

    If all I wanted to do was celebrate mediocrity, I'd go back to working for corporate Australia.

    Thank goodness someone gets it.
     
  20. GumbyNoTalent

    GumbyNoTalent Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2003
    Messages:
    9,342
    Location:
    Briz Vegas
    No you aimed lower and went to the Public Sector... :lol::lol::lol:
     
    elvis likes this.

Share This Page

Advertisement: