Discussion in 'Business & Enterprise Computing' started by elvis, Jul 1, 2008.
It takes a special kind of talent to be able to do what they do.
Microsoft moved away from text based configs (ini files) with NT/Windows 95. They did (and to a fair extent, still do) discourage direct editing the registry. They have moved back towards it with .Net stuff using xml files (which comes with its own special set of problems).
You aren't supposed to need to fuck with the registry, but methods are provided, because sometimes you do.
Not what I said... but don't let that get in your way.
Windows copied a lot of it's UI Ideas from NeXTSTEP. KDE and Gnome could have done the same, but did not, until Windows 95 came out. ergo. Linux Copied Windows (Who copied NeXT).
But hey, at least we don't have to pull out the install CDs and reinstall our entire TCP/IP stack any more. Maybe in another 25 years we won't need to fuck with the registry, and people will remember it as being a really stupid thing.
So Linux came out before Windows 95, ergo Windows 95 copied Linux? So here is some history as to the commonality between all things Windows orientated.
1984 X Windows
1985 Open Look
This is the hierarchical (IMO) of UNIX/Linux windows desktop progression.
Microsoft was also part of the Motif POSIX group, that worked on CDE. As has been discussed Windows NT was basically the whole team working on the new graphical version of VAX/VMS at Digital Research (IMO are the ones who make desktop computing mainstream because everyone stole their ideas which were ones in production unlike the Xerox experiment), which MS then used components in OS/2, yes OS/2 was a collaboration between IBM and MS, but MS took and held back on the newer ideas until after release to put into Windows 95 (there was a big lawsuit in the day on the topic). Anyways, the main point is Windows 95 is derived work from previous collaborations with UNIX desktop not the other way around as many have been lead to believe, just like Apple copied most of the ideas of Open Look and stole ideas from Digital Research like the trash can that Steve Jobs legacy wants you to believe was 100% Jobs original inspired... *cough* BULLSHIT *cough*!
My disdain for Microsoft is for its unethical business practices in the day, in the 80s they played nice with everyone until they had market share, after that it all changed.
Gnome and KDE started late 1990s and by early 2000s where definitely being inspired by Windows 9x interfaces as this would be considered a logical progression of CDE.
PS - not mentioning SUN is deliberate, hoping to trigger the fanboi's....
Also need to remember that Silicon Valley in the 80s was full of hippies wanting to progress computers in a all in love fest of sharing... RMS was a poster child in the day, and everyone was in a sharing and caring mode, it wasn't until later after MS had sullied the waters that things became very closed.
I don't agree that KDE (in its Win9x guise) is a logical progression of CDE. If Win95 came out with a 3.1 Skin instead of Windows 95, KDE would look more like 3.1
If you go back to the early 80's there were lots of different GUI desktop environments, some were good some were shit. The first I used was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEM_(desktop_environment) and that predated windows 1. All parties were looking at what the others were doing and coping the good stuff and ditching the bad stuff (or sometimes keeping it).
I look at it this way, everyone used everyone else's ideas, because they were logical and worked. I'd rather have that, then the lawsuits that apple has thrown around, because android used a rounded corner on their icons just like apple did. Back in the early days, people were learning what worked from other products and incorporating them into their own... because they worked, and anything to speed up adoption of computers back in them days is a good thing.
If only there were some sort of car analogy that we could use to make it more understandable.
less said about SunView the better.
Digital Research is the ones I refer to who created the trash can.
DEC Digital Equipment Company was VAX/VMS.
My aging brain calls em both Digital and gets them crossed sometimes.
Pretty sure Lennart is gonna fix this after he gets done with text-based logs.
Is it friday yet? This tequila says it is.
Introducing configured, the configuration macro-microservice that requires a NoSQL backend and TCP/IP stack...
Bah, who wants to query with SQL... GSA is where it's at (Gred/Sed/Awk)
That sounds a bit too Unix-y for Poettering
YAML/BSON is his jam.
HP Give me the absolute shits. Trust them and their crack team of monkeys to design something using inherently reliable components (Super-capacitors to power a RAID card in an outage scenario) and manage to fuck it up so they are less reliable than that "spare" torch you keep above the rangehood for power outages that is never charged. They are not even a warranty item as they are a consumable. This year so far it has been platter based storage and HP capacitors as the #1 replaced item in the racks.
I wouldn't be so angry if they just stuck to using NICAD cells that you expect to fail all the time and leak piss and shit all through the server. But hey, let's innovate and put no effort into it. Why bother balancing electrical storage things when they are in series?
HPE can suck a dick.
Based on your observations I'm not sure they are even competent enough to do that properly!
sounds like they can.
No, they would get caught up in meetings discussing dick sucking SLA's and ETA's. And a way to outsource it and sell it as some shitty cloud based product, and a clever marketing buzzword for it.