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Consolidated Business & Enterprise Computing Rant Thread

Discussion in 'Business & Enterprise Computing' started by elvis, Jul 1, 2008.

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    elvis Old school old fool

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    Again, criticisms of late stage capitalism a-plenty here. In IT, we're expected to budget for downtime, redundancy, HA, backups, etc, etc. All of that is factored in to delivering a system when it comes to both infrastructure and dollar cost.

    Somehow with humans, the rules are different. When "work" is calculated, suddenly the beancounters are assuming people never get sick, never take leave, are 100% efficient at transferring 100% of their knowledge to other co-workers instantly without affecting their other hourly output, etc, etc? Planning fail.

    Good PMs (yes, they exist, just not in number) will always tell you that real productivity is a fraction of a day. Some will tell you "5 hours a day", some "3 hours a day", but whatever that is, it always seems to be wrong, and we *always* seem to be stuck in this world where staff (especially IT staff it seems) are inundated with too much work and doing too much overtime and never able to take appropriate breaks let alone leave at length without a phone call.

    There are always one of two reasons for something going wrong: ignorance or malice. If we (as an industry) have been this ignorant for this long, then we're all idiots. However if this comes down to malice of our superiors - the hyper capitalist push to get blood from a stone and squeeze as many humans as possible in the process in the name of the almighty dollar, and all the while as my friend caspian points out...

    ... and at the same time complaining that adequate leave or adequate staffing is all too expensive, then something is proper fucked, and we're the idiots for continuing to play that game.

    The only solution, in my eyes, is to not play the game. Which is why the very moment I don't have to be in this, I won't be, and I'll walk away from it all. And that day is rapidly approaching.

    (For what it's worth, this is also the reason I choose to specialise in "left of centre" IT - Linux, cloud, open source, and all things non-mainstream, because then you're not competing with every other low paid idiot or certificate wielding Indian, and you've actually got slightly more room to negotiate your value with, including how much time you take off instead of extra dollars on top).
     
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    Might not have come across completely clear...Leave is a headache for business because the business isn't managing it well enough. Due to lack of resources/training/planning or whatever.

    Business should be encouraging their workers to take leave for (a) their workers wellness, which should lead to (b) happy(ier) workers, which should hopefully foster (c) better/more productive workforce and beans for the counters.

    Having Joe or Joanne Bloggs sitting on a mountain of leave/liability is good for no-one.

    TLDR: Business needs to get it's shit together.
     
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  3. looktall

    looktall Working Class Doughnut

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    "Make me" - all businesses everywhere.
     
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  4. caspian

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    it absolutely needs to work that way. I used to work for a company where your LSL wasn't even calculated until you have 5 years of service, and then it was charged in a lump sum to the employee's current business unit. so the management used to actively try to offload staff to other positions just before that 5 years rolled around, and if you were within a year of that milestone - forget applying for a different position, nobody would take you on.

    business will fight against portable LSL though, because it means they would need to do mandatory contributions from day one to avoid the balloon payment scenario, and I bet a lot of them actively expect a proportion of employees to leave voluntarily before their entitlement date, so they never have to pay that cost.

    zero sympathy to any company that has an issue with this. it's utterly a failure to manage the issue. personally I sit on the absolute maximum amount of leave I can get away with exactly for the next egg reason.
     
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  5. looktall

    looktall Working Class Doughnut

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    I'm one of the reasons our previously accrued day off per month is now a mandatory day off per fortnight.
    Last year I was pulling 4 day weeks for a few months to burn up my unused days off.
    I'm sure I wasn't the only one in the company asked to do that.
     
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    When it comes to payroll the whole system is a shambles.
    If they actually told businesses what to do, rather than expecting them to figure it out, when even Payroll professionals have issues, you may have more businesses complying, because they know how.
     
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    business needs to commit to listening to them first. when management won't listen to professionals on technical issues, why would they on payroll?

    we've got a few people being actively managed re leave balances. I find it less of an issue that it used to be since I got married.

    my wife works a monthly RDO roster, but she hasn't been able to take any of them for 12 months due to pressure of work. her manager both frets over her accrued leave, and then reacts like his throat is being cut if she suggests taking any of it.

    her business also "incentivised" the headcount to reduce their accrued ARL last year, by offering an additional week of ARL if they had used four weeks by the end of Q3. at the time, she had used three weeks, and there was only one month left to the cutoff date. so she took a week off, and they rewarded her by giving it straight back. so the net result is it cost the business a week of lost productivity, for precisely zero benefit.
     
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    In a lot of cases it's not making staff take leave, but allowing them to. In far too many cases businesses have head count so low they can't deal with people taking leave, so the leave builds up to the point that they're forced to take it. There's also a regular expectation that even if you're on leave you're contactable, and many employers (like my own) exploit this - I used to get so many calls when I was on leave that I now regularly tell them I'm going out bush where there is no reception, and just turn my phone to do not disturb so I can ignore their calls without it bothering me (smarter move would have been a separate work phone...but I know they'd try my personal if they couldn't get me on the work phone!).

    Yep, this is too regular an occurrence - business tells you to reduce your leave but then baulks when you try to take it. Too many people accept this though, so of course employers will still try it on.
     
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    I was thinking this yesterday. There's a Gru's plan meme in there somewhere but I'm not clever/funny enough to come up with it. The business has cut its workforce so thin that one person is doing the job of 2 or 3, or more.. and that person who is left knows if they take leave their colleagues are going to have to cover that slack. Even for those who don't care about anything so mundane as the welfare of their colleagues, you have the businesses who expect the staff to cover the workload of their own absences, either making up the work on their return, or having it done in advance before they leave.

    It all boils down to elvis' late stage capitalism point any way you look at it though, whether you're coming at it from the business management perspective or that of the staff trying to work in or around that system.
     
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    It sucks, but I've hardened my heart a fair bit because of this. And I tell my colleagues ad nauseam; the business deciding to cut staffing is NOT a reason for people to push themselves, burn themselves out or do more than they are paid for (you have a contract, that is agreed to by both parties. Do you think the business will go above and beyond for you? Generally if it's not required, it will not happen).

    One thing about a gig economy that I like is that it's starting to become a level playing field for people and businesses. Feel free to fuck off if you don't like a business. Find somewhere else to work.

    I am fortunate; I am in a fairly high demand role, so I can easily leave a role that I dislike and walk into a new role. I know not everyone is in that boat, but everyone needs to advocate for themselves. Have a threshold for BS, have a plan to exit the situation (eg keep your CV up to date, upskill, network), don't be afraid to communicate your boundaries and say no. What's the worst that can happen? You lose your job. That's why you have a plan to exit the situation.
     
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    Something like this?

    Gru_Plan_Leave.png

    In the vein of rants. New provider is migrating VMs from our VMWare infrastructure to their Nutanix infrastructure. They installed their migration software on to our Citrix Image whilst we were performing maintenance on it and now I have to revert to last month's image and re-do this week's work again.
     
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  12. PabloEscobar

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    Gig economy is ultimate late stage capitalism.
     
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    What I am hoping for, is that it means that people will realise that they don't need to be a slave to an organisation and they can make their own way. I doubt it, but still...
     
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    COVID demonstrated that gig economy workers were the first ones fucked over in literally the first week.

    Most gig economy workers are living off financial scraps, with barely a day's buffer in savings. Hand-to-mouth living with zero contingency.
     
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    Good point, and I because I'm in a privileged position, I didn't really consider it.

    I want thing to be different, but I think people are getting exploited and being put in a position where they feel it's the only choice they've got. sucks.
     
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    No, what it really means, is companies can treat their workers as less than dirt, and make more profit.

    The "gig economy" was sold to you as "Work when you want", but all it really means is "If you want a living wage, work about the same amount of hours, but we don't have to pay holidays, sick pay, workers comp or any of the other stuff that we need to pay actual employees"
     
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    This. Contractor conditions without the contractor price overhead that clever contractors can add on top to give themselves the buffer they need for all of life's unexpected ups and downs.

    Minimum wage on a salary sucks, but minimum wage on an hourly rate with no holidays, no sick pay, and no notice period should be criminal, but isn't courtesy of our hyper capitalist overlords with all the time and money to bend the ear of politicians who claim to represent the little people.
     
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    Minimum wage would be a pay rise for a lot of gig economy workers.

    Fucking airtasker "oh I want 4 hours' electrical work done and I'll pay you $80!"
     
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    no worries. but I don't guarantee your house won't burn down.
     
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    Most people couldn't fend for themselves though. So many only have jobs because there's someone else doing more than their share so they can hide in the margins.

    how many jobs are just there to take up peoples time though, uselsss busy work ? project managers, lollipop people at road works sites, politicians, etc. etc.


    if some SOB is going to devalue their effort so much, and take that gig, let them. Not my job to protect people from being idiots.
     

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