Consolidated Business & Enterprise Computing Rant Thread

Discussion in 'Business & Enterprise Computing' started by elvis, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. randomman

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    To be fair... whoever's been "managing" this has been sitting on it for like 6 months so it should be ready for production. Also to be fair... they weren't given a PM or any support because we don't limit ourselves to ITILs definition of a project anymore, that's now called "Operations".

    Seriously I'm about ready to quit. I can't handle Manglement (thanks Gumby) coming to me asking me to implement things with no resourcing and budget. They asked for Office 2019 today and was like "it's 2021 can't we get 2019...?". Yeah it's 2021 and I said we needed another FTE in 2020. It's now 2021, no new FTE and instead you've taken one of our FTEs to "help" (using up all of his time) with other duties. So who the fuck is actually going to do the work?

    What am I kidding, the pay is too good in a city with shit wages. Though I have heard the US is opening up to the idea of remote Canadian IT workers. But I would have no idea how to even start looking up jobs. What do you call the guy that manages your entire fleet of workstations and peripherals?
     
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  2. GumbyNoTalent

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    Obsolete in a few years when every one is BYOD and WFH.
     
  3. NSanity

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    This is why consultant's exist.

    End User Compute Lead / Manager / Director - depending on scale.

    But the fact you can't roll out an Office Suite without an FTE tells me you aren't the latter two in a pure WFH scenario.

    Uplifting Office on a Modern Corporate Deployment is literally just pushing the package in Intune/WS1/SCCM.
     
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  4. randomman

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    Hah. Lululemon went BYOD and from what I heard everyone in IT hated it. Users go to BestBuy and buy the cheapest POS and complain when it's crap and slow. Now with VDI backing... yes probably. I'll probably try and weasel my way into the Infosec team chasing the $$$.

    I wouldn't mind being a consultant, come in set stuff up and then fuck off before everyone starts complaining. :leet: If only I knew how to market myself and negotiate a statement of work.

    • Thanks!
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    • I'd just make it available on all workstations, tell users "if you have macros or add-ins verify they're supported in O365" except the business will ask me why I can't do that for the users instead. Heaven forbid we ask them to do something themselves.
     
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    Step 1 acknowledge your short comings.
    Step 2 work on short comings, to improve your skill set.
    Step 3 apply newly acquired skill set in obtaining goal.
     
  6. NSanity

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    I mean if you the customer are going to kneecap the milestones like that - that's your own fault.
     
  7. PabloEscobar

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    From a technical perspective, sure.
    From a business perspective, it depends a great deal on the people in the business, and how change averse they are.
     
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    Bold to assume they involve me in anything my expertise might make me qualified to advise on.
     
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    The wailing and gnashing of teeth when we went from pst files to O365. In 2015. Fuck teachers.
     
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    In the classroom in front of the kids... we will call it sex education.

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    elvis Old school old fool

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    And if they are, sack 'em and replace them with people who are willing and able.

    If it's part of your job requirement to adapt to change, don't be surprised that you get performance managed when you don't.
     
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    It should be this simple, but I've only rarely seen it happen. The times when I have been on manglement end doing the hiring/firing, it's been quite a chore to get staff removed.
     
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    Businesses who are change averse. are also averse to firing *****.
     
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    Sometimes firing can just be a nightmare. We had a bloke who would just no show randomly. He wouldn't tell anyone just not show up. Once management caught on he started getting doctor certs and taking days off that management would also have off. To get enough to fire him without potential legal issues it took 6+ months. It was hell.
     
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    managing anyone out of their position takes about 6 months if the business wants to.
     
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    elvis Old school old fool

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    Also, I'm adverse to working for these sorts of places for any length of time longer than "fixing all the things I can fix without needing to wait on *****".
     
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    well it IS a lot of money for doing stuff all. but not a lot of money compared to being useful to society.

    that's nice and all except in reality, technical work stops at APS6 level, after that you're a manager including free lobotomy. and while it's technically possible to have technical roles as EL1/2 pay scales, the manager types have a hard time dealing with someone that gets paid the same as them, so it rarely happens.

    As covered above, typically government won't pay going rates for IT workers. Add to the fact there's the literal pain in the ass getting and keeping a clearance involves, there's compensation required for that.

    Everyone is a contractor here because they can't pay APS staff to required pay, so anyone in the APS that's remotely good, quickly hits APS6 realises there's no job progression available, then leaves for MSP/body shop/specialist vendor. and 99% of the time, comes back to sit at the same desk doing the same role for 2x more money, while costing the department 4x as much.

    there's also a shitload of bad culture in the APS, I spent some time in the APS many years ago. even if they could pay me equivalent of what I get now, I'd never go back.
     
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    Had to explain why a 20Gb/s team doesn't magically fix backup performance issues.
     
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    but did you try 40Gbe?
     
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