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Consolidated Business & Enterprise Computing Rant Thread

Discussion in 'Business & Enterprise Computing' started by elvis, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. PabloEscobar

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    Its a Race to the bottom, with IT on the whole getting a terrible rep because of it.

    I love fielding cold calls for MSP's offering to save us money, 'Can you support <Insert fairly specialised LOB App that is barely used outside of industry>?' "Oh yes sir, we have someone who has extensive experience with that", In the background you can hear them googling it, trying to get some idea of what its does, and failing, because its a generic name, and searching it turns up a bazillion results.

    I'll normally ask to speak to said specialist, as they are always 'to busy to speak right now' and then never actually call me back.
     
  2. greebs

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    It's even more amusing when you ask them if they support your uniquely named in-house app, and they say they can.
     
  3. PabloEscobar

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    Not only can they support it, they guy that wrote it on staff...

    All the pushy sales etc, comes back to a business model that I just can't see working.

    On-Contract, do the bare minimum you can get by with, without being canned by the customer.

    Being paid time and materials for off-contract work... take as much time as possible.

    Contracted for a set project - Make the contract as narrow as possible, and push as much of the work into 'out of scope' and shift it into time and materials.
     
  4. NSanity

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    I can support the environment and give your app a working system.

    Then again, we don't really promise much more than that outside of MS products we support.
     
  5. Fred Nurk

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    Heh. I've seen that sort of thing as a selection criteria for job advertisements... 'Must have experience in half arsed internal ERP piece of shit'.
     
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    elvis OCAU's most famous and arrogant know-it-all

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    For spreadsheet-pounding cubicle zombies, I agree.

    For the VFX industry, Linux has been the defacto desktop since the late 90s. That was a huge part of what killed SGI. MacOSX is our "AdobeOS" for when we need to run stuff not on Linux. And I tell you what, if a handful of core Adobe tools end up on Linux, we'll jump off the MacOSX bandwagon so fast it'll make Adobe's head spin. Lucky for Apple, Adobe are ignorant to desktop operating systems in the VFX space.

    Outside of that, I do think we'll see more "ChromeOS" type stuff appearing on the horizon. Probably more of a vendor-supplied thing (HP will ship their own, Dell will ship their own, etc, etc) in the coming years. Less traditional Linux DE, and more custom vendor-supplied skin and management tools over a Linux base.
     
  7. Cubix

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    Chrome OS has so much potential, the one thing Chrome OS desperately needs is a true MS RDC client that supports RDG.
     
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    elvis OCAU's most famous and arrogant know-it-all

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    There's a few open source tools that do this. Just up to Google to add one.

    Is there somewhere you can make a request?
     
  9. QuakeDude

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    Their Citrix receiver is soooo close to being good. Hopefully after they fix a few small niggling issues it might very well become our next Thin Client of choice.
     
  10. Cubix

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    There are a couple but none support RDG.

    Google is aware via Lenovo and Samsung that a number of large corporates have indicated strong interest in Chromebook and this is holding them back.

    It will come eventually, I have no doubt about that after Microsoft released versions for Android and IOS it shouldn't be to difficult to port.
     
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    There is a RD Client for android from M$ that supports RD gateway
     
  12. Cubix

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    Correct, however Chromebook runs ChromeOS not Android.
     
  13. bsbozzy

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    Correct, I was replying to the post i quoted which mentioned Android and backporting.

    If they wanted to do it, it would most likely already have been done! Just like a M$ client for Linux.....
     
  14. PabloEscobar

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    I think Google v Microsoft will be the Tech Battle of our times (if it's not already).

    Google have shoved it up MS a couple of times now regarding discovered vulnerabilites and their 90 Day embargo... I can see their point as far as having a hard line on the 90 days, but I can also view it as somewhat of a dick move, given that they knew a patch was coming on the Tuesday. Who benefits from this? Hax0rs! thats who... not you, not me, not google, not MS... just evil Hax0rs (possibly from North Korea).

    Chrome breaking OWA (well, Chrome really breaking anything that uses modal popups) is another example.

    MS have thrown down the gauntlet with some dirt cheap windows tablets (proper windows, none of that RT bollocks), including a years 365 subscription which helped them avoid losing more market share to chrome books.

    Meanwhile, They are fighting for best of the rest when it comes to 'Cloud' :).
     
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    elvis OCAU's most famous and arrogant know-it-all

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    We're trialling Sophos' "Cloud-Managed" AV solution currently.

    Windows and Mac only right now, but they're planning Linux support finalised by April (and we're on the Linux beta test before then).

    So far it's pretty neat, and it's one more thing I can push out to the clown and not have to manage infrastructure for internally.
     
  16. NSanity

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    Pretty much this.

    Until you have a software solution that is truly hardware agnostic and "automagically" will just fire up another node upon being plugged in, networked. But even then, some degree of uniformity is desired.

    Of course there is niche examples where whiteboxes may assist - but overwhelmingly, if you can't afford to put 1-2 on the shelf next to it, you can't afford that whitebox over a dell/hp/ibm/etc.
     
  17. Gunna

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    They are JUST above whiteboxes.

    The 'remote management' port/software was rubbish. Any password longer than 8 characters that had a special character would fail.

    Hardware was crap too as you can expect and the support was just as bad. A week I waited once for a replacmeent raid card.

    *shudder* So glad i'm not dealing with that any more. Dell for everything here, more expensive but their support is awesome and our account manager has managed to get me over 55% off on some server hardware.

    The ones I saw were def rebranded but not intel. The mobos were some Taiwanese brand I think. When updating the bios you would often lose the Acer logo and it would go back to default, after a couple of reboots it went back to Acer. SO many quirky issues with those boards and they didn't supply raid cards after point of sale. You had to get a list of approved cards from specific vendors and then buy it yourself.
     
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    There were lots of players in the whitebox market in australia. Acer wouldn't be my first pick.

    Back in the day I supported a lot of Optima, Ipex and TPG servers (yes "that" TPG, hint: what does "TPG" stand for).

    Also every tom dick and harry was selling intel builds in Intel SC5000 / SC5300 rack mountable tower kits. I imagine someone is doing something similar now although Dell is probably a better bet.

    At least with a whitebox, you have the option of swapping out bits. Who knows what's compatible with the Acer server, I doubt even Acer know based on their business model.
     
  19. cvidler

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    Years ago* I had to support a dozen ASI 'servers' (dual Xeon board in a full tower PC case, cheapest PSU possible etc.) Unexpectedly they kept blowing PSUs, they kept getting replaced, but uptime was terrible. After that puchasing mistake, convinced the boss to buy top tier gear, ended up with IBM X series, never had a problem since.

    *think P3 Xeon, the slot ones.
     
  20. l4br4t

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    Why bother, you're just going to spew it out into this thread again at some point.
     

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