Consolidated Tax/ATO discussion thread

Discussion in 'Blockchain & Cryptocurrency Mining' started by whatdoesthisdo, Jan 24, 2018.

  1. whatdoesthisdo

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    Please continue your tax related discussions here thanks.
     
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    wonder if this will take off ...
     
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    Lol, time will tell.

    Well I'll get the ball rolling

    Didn't there use to be a law about not having to pay CGT when using the profits to reinvest in another investment? Or was that only for real estate or something? Could that be applied here if it does exist?
     
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    Also with the increased scrutiny by the government on cryptocurrency, keeping details about your trades is crucial especially so you can calculate your tax liabilities for the year.

    I have been using https://cointracking.info/ for maybe 3-4 weeks, and I would definitely recommend people (especially HODLers) to use it, it's free (up to 200 transactions for the free version), has a mobile app, and it automates a lot of the tasks of calculating your realised benefits, unrealised benefits, cost base, and tax liability.

    FYI not affiliated with the ATO or CoinTracking hahah.
     
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    So what's the deal if I don't remember how much I bought my BTC for? Or even if I originally bought LTC and converted?
     
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    not that i'm aware of, but that doesn't mean there wasn't/isn't some rules like that

    it's almost impossible to be 100% across every tax rule there is

    try harder ;)

    if you ended up depositing $100k+ into a bank account, the default position the ATO is likely to take is that the amount is 100% taxable unless you can prove you have cost base (purchase price)
     
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    is there a website with a calculator that has historical coin/currency exchange figures? even better, precised to an exchange, time and date?
     
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    Every exchange I've used has historical data available.
     
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    i meant a currency/coin rate converter where i can specifiy time and date, and perhaps to a specific exchange.

    edit: i could probably use coinmarketcap's graphs. i figured it'd be easier to add the time and date into a calculator, like what you can do on xe.com.
     
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    you like pointing your mouse at a date/time and getting the price? every. exchange. ever.
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    so that, and add a list of prices of all the other coins/currency at that point of time and date. i know i can get these off the exchanges i'm on. what i'm after is an easier way of viewing the info without having to click around.
     
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    They all have APIs you can download the data from, then you can stick it in your own spreadsheet/database/shredder and do what you want with it.
     
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    Whats the point of a company structure compared to 50% capital gains discount if you buy and hold for more than a year?

    Maximum tax rates of 20-25% CGT discount which sounds less than the company tax rate?

    edit, 33% CGT discount?
     
  17. Potato_Cake

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    I would be wary posting Tax/Accounting advice unless your qualified.

    Tax rate for individuals is MTR for less than 12 months with a 50% discount if longer than 12 months. No idea where the 33% comes from, this is for Superfunds.
    Not all companies are entitled to the 27.5% corporate tax rate especially where you are not an active SBE or deriving passive income.
    Having an ABN does not automatically deem you to be running a 'Business' from the ATO perspective.
    $10,000 limit is not on profit it is on purchase cost and only if it is deemed to be a personal use asset (very limtted circumstances).
    Tax is not just on realised AUD but also on Crypto to crypto.
    There is a whole bunch of circumstances to be deemed as a 'Trader' and be taxed on 'Income' account.

    This is just on a brief glance of your post and haven't gone through it all.
     
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    Hi Darkstyle,

    I admire the effort that you put in in relation to the topic.

    In relation to your points.

    - SBE - Please look into what constitutes as a business. A passive income entity is not an SBE
    - A Crypto is a CGT asset, Crypto to crypto is a deemed disposal of an asset.
    - Please read the link provided with the Tax rulings references and hopefully you will find it useful and have a deeper understanding of Tax Law :)
     
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    according to current tax legislation, crypto to crypto is most certainly a taxable event

    however, what is not clear is whether the ATO will seek to try and tax taxpayers in this manner, or whether they will only attempt to tax on cashing out to fiat

    this year will be very interesting for crypto
     
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    this bit makes me nervous.
    I am mining to hodl and not looking at cashing out for a long time.
    I was under the impression that payments under 8k were not flagged by the ato ?
    I have a mate that just cashes in 5k at a time and hasn't had an issue in 4 years (every 3 months roughly).
    so I wondering if cashing in for future (lump sum) will be an issue or should I take a little here and there ?
    I would earn more hopefully the longer I hold it.
    how could the ato possibly track crypto wallets ? I mean if not payments are made to bank accounts ?
    I mean you could just bpay bills or get a crypto debt card and live off it ?
    I'm not an accountant my wallet is growing fast and just wondering what everyone else is doing.
     

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