Determinism - is there such thing as choice?

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    Just found this article in new scientist. Sums up the thread nicely

    http://www.newscientist.com/channel...00-free-will--you-only-think-you-have-it.html

     
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    I'd hold off on concluding determinism (as usual) until the above theory is proven by experiment.

    Just a little exercise of the ol' free will ;)

    "If everything is predetermined, then where do all the parallel universes go?" :lol:
     
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    Why is it obsolete now?

    Is it obsolete because today a mind on the pinnacle of understanding with the available facts and information comes to the logical conclusion to follow only logic and seek a more complex depth of it, as opposed to allowing any sort of emotionally driven behavioural actions, thus depersonalizing everyone and terminating the urge to dominatione as an individual being.
     
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    Foliage, from your article a telling paragraph:

    Dennett fits into that category also.
     
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    This thread was referred to recently in the Science forum, where the discussion on determinism has been raised again. Foliage directed some of us here. This thread should actually be moved to Science, where it will be discussed by people who understand it, rather than left to languish in the Pub and made the target of Internet memes.
     
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    nothing wrong with the perspective of layman. collectively knowledge is more than you think!
    +was nice seeing ive made a post in this thread before actually realising its an old thread haha :thumbup:
     
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    dead thread


    My random number generator which lies outside of this universe says that no, choice does exist.
     
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    Nothing wrong with the perspective of laymen until their perspective involves "EPIC LULZ" and "FTW". Once that point arrives, then there are very large things wrong with the perspective of laymen and the laymen should be shot.

    Fortigun's right - this type of thread would end up full of shit if left in the pub nowadays. It would never last 4 pages of discussion in the current day pub, so it should just get moved or locked with direction to the current science thread so that the people with half a brain can discuss it in peace.
     
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    Well said mate. This should be moved to the Science forum, or else simply merged with the existing thread there.
     
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    I couldn't agree more with that paragraph, if it were true then the world as I know it would fall apart.
     
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    thanks for the thread necro, was a good read

    disturbing, however, that so many other people think exactly as i do (like you foliage)

    as in the physical world, not counting unknown quantum mechanics, free will appears to be not much more than an illusion... would be nice if quantum mechanics was proven to be truly random. at least then we'd know the universes base randomness would give us choice.
     
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    Why is it disturbing? it means the world is full of clever people who question everything and are always thinking about the world we live in.
     
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    hmm. okay not so much disturbing. i just dont like thinking about it, i want to have free will. i mean, even if it is just an illusion, i'd rather not know that it is?
    then you get into the infinite thought loops if there is no free will of its just everything else making me think that etc. etc.
     
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    What is certain is that whether or not free will is an illusion, it is impractical to live as if it is.
     
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    Fortigurn made a choice to dig up this thread. A bad choice.


    ergo, QED, Vis a Vis, concordently, free will exists.
     
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    So prophecy is now no longer an issue for science? :D
     
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    Did he though? :Pirate:
     
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    Oh.

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    i see what you did there
    *squint*
    :leet:

    definitely the winning post for this thread, on so many levels.
     

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