Discussion in 'Networking, Telephony & Internet' started by antipody, Apr 9, 2013.
with, I was going to go naked but I couldn't bear to be without my internets to switch to unlimited.
they are when network quality impacts the end result you achieve.
quality != quantity. very different concepts.
Bigpond are not interested in chasing the market that are trying to download the internet every month. they are generally not worth having as a customer.
Turnbull is quite happy to "reconsider" them, no doubt in the name of price.
I wouldn't really call it bad pricing then. Line rental is $25 yeah? Skymesh offer 1tb (500+500) for $85 (25000/5000 though!)
I love it how all the politicians ever talk about is the download speeds. I get NBN speeds on my cable internet at home.. It's the uplink that's important to businesses yet no one ever talks about it. Almost cried the other day when I heard Senator Stephen Conroy say speeds of 100megs would be reached. Boy are we in good hands..
To those arguing about Telstra offering quality services, they don't. When i was with them once a year (going into summer) the internet would drop constantly because they used an untested goop in the pits (i dunno what it did, it's just what the techs told us) and we were without net for like a month and getting them to fix it year after year, yeah nah fuck that. That was with cable.
Now with TPG who uses telstra lines in my area, getting great speeds, and unlimited with cheap phone and couldn't be happier! So say again how Telstra is god almighty? Perhaps when it comes to phone reception, but even then using Optus networks, i get pretty fuckin decent coverage (and i go 4x4ing so yeah, remote areas included to).
Now, back on topic. It looks like Libs will get in this year, what do we think the difference will be between the labor and lib network? (not technically speaking, but from an end user POV to keep within topic). And, can the Lib network be upgraded to match the labour network?
Also, why not 1000mbit connections? I mean, it is fibre right?
Ah, good point!
Yes it can be
three points -
(1) you've both just criticised and complimented the same company, not highlighted any difference.
(2) neither ISP controls the access infrastructure used to deliver the service in either case. they're not responsible for that sort of issue, good or bad.
(3) the "goop" you refer to was used on phone lines, not on cable infrastructure, so it had nothing to do with your issue.
the NBN gear can already deliver it, but there's no point in enabling it yet because the uptake rates would be insufficient to make it worthwhile. there's also basically nothing you could do with it.
not exactly. yes, the copper local loop could be removed and replaced with fibre, at much the same expense to match the Labor plan. the downside will be the 73,000-odd streetside cabinets required, which the LNP plan conveniently glosses over.
The LNP glosses over everything because they know they are going to Steven Bradbury this election.
Yes it can be upgraded to meet the Lib network but it means revisting all the sites to run the last mile of Fibre which would cost far more than doing it in the first visit.
Its just a cap, technically no one knows the speed limit on Fibre but having a core network that would support 10million 1Tb connections would be expensive.
This way you can just upgrade the cost network as speed increases, the fibre doesn't need to be touched.
Didn't think you'd see what i was getting at...
I was saying that when it comes to being an ISP, Telstra isn't the best option out for for quality of service as i've experienced before when we were burnt with their cable. So you're better off with a 'sub-tier' as you inferred them, company such as TPG and get much more bang per buck. TBH though, their customer service (TPG's) was actually pretty decent).
As per the goop, it's what the Telstra tech said was the problem, they repaired it and internet works again, hurrah! Dunno what the actual problem was then if you're saying that couldn't have caused it? Either they were wrong/lying or you're wrong, either way...
I completely agree that Labor needs to finish this, or the libs need to just sack up and continue with the original plan, but i don't see that happening...
that's pretty awesome re speeds i figured it must have been a cap but i thought perhaps the backbone infrastructure wouldn't support it.
Just ask Canberra residents what happened to the internet when the Libs got in, they scrapped the planned network and now they have a half arsed effort.
Keep in mind telstra 'Techs' are often contractors, they might not be the most 'in the loop' of people in this instance. That might not be the case in this situation, but quite often, and this seems to be the case here, when a big problems like the 'goop' become public knowledge, it also become the scape-goat for all issues after that for a while that either require far to much explaining to the end-user and the contract simply can't be bothered, or they don't believe the person at the other end will understand.
This is simply speculation, but I've had it happen many times and it's not until you explain to them that you have more than a basic understanding they will let you in on a little more detail.
Japan managed to push 1 Petabit/s through a single fibre
This for me is the beauty of fibre, onces its in you just upgrade the boxes at the various points along the fibre providing a network that will support us for the next 100years.
Edit - link to article http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/09/26/3598036.htm
and as I said, Bigpond are not responsible for delivery of the access infrastructure. in your case, you simply chose an ISP that has sole resale rights to it. that doesn't alter the point I am making.
where the ISP still does not provide the connection to your premises, all they provide is the cloud data component. and that's done on the cheap and nasty.
you need to differentiate between the different components of the connection. the end-user point of view only is simplistic and misleading.
Simple easy way to visualise the Libs plan vs Labour plan.
Labour: We will build 10 lane highways to every suburb and every driveway will have the best quality roads to make sure that even in the next 100 years worth of traffic, no one has to think about it ever again. Have fun downloading as much porn as you possibly can.
Liberal: We will build 10 lane highways, then to get to your suburb you are going to have to park at one of our 73000 car parks and then ride a bike. Also, you aren't entitled to a driveway, but maybe one day in the future we might give you a driveway, but for now, we don't think you need it because you will be riding a bike (that we are forcing you to ride) We are going to let you stream 180p soft porn until your bike rusts over, then we shall think about it.
I still blame Julia. If she wasn't so hated, Labor would win, and then we could all laugh at Abbott and his soft porn idea.
I mainly want it for the upload speed, so i can finally stream in 1080p! (Bloody telstra upload speeds )
EDIT: @Digit, i've had Telstra cable for 2 years now. No issues what so ever, always 2 sides to every story.
Cisco ASR9010's at bottom of both racks