Does Anyone Solely Use A Virtual PC or... How Much Do You Virtualise?

Discussion in 'General Software' started by Oppressa, Dec 23, 2010.

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I use virtual environments:

  1. At home (1-50% of my use)

    75 vote(s)
    68.2%
  2. At home (51-80% of my use)

    11 vote(s)
    10.0%
  3. At home (80-100% of my use)

    5 vote(s)
    4.5%
  4. At work (1-50% of my use)

    23 vote(s)
    20.9%
  5. At work (51-80% of my use)

    18 vote(s)
    16.4%
  6. At work (80-100% of my use)

    22 vote(s)
    20.0%
  7. My host(s) are mainly Windows

    51 vote(s)
    46.4%
  8. My host(s) are mainly Apple

    3 vote(s)
    2.7%
  9. My host(s) are mainly Linux

    23 vote(s)
    20.9%
  10. My host(s) are mainly another kind of OS

    8 vote(s)
    7.3%
  11. My client(s) are mainly Windows

    55 vote(s)
    50.0%
  12. My client(s) are mainly Apple

    4 vote(s)
    3.6%
  13. My client(s) are mainly Linux

    19 vote(s)
    17.3%
  14. My client(s) are mainly another kind of OS

    5 vote(s)
    4.5%
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  1. Oppressa

    Oppressa Member

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    Been working with virtual PCs a lot recently (and over the last few years but only really started thinking about this now) and was wondering if anyone does most of their work/home use in a virtual PC. If yes, why/how much and what don't you use the virtual PC for?

    Do you use snapshots? Do you revert to that snapshot when something goes wrong/you get a virus or do you revert to it at every boot? What are the positives/negatives?

    Discuss...
     
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  2. Gecko

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    I use VMs for development servers - primarily because it is easy to take them back to a "stable state".

    Also have VMs of various different OSes / versions to aid with testing
     
  3. th3_hawk

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    Running a MacBook Pro I have a pile of different Windows VM's that I use for tech support. I used to have a few apps that required Windows but have migrated pretty much everything to OSX these days. (The notable exception being eTax).

    I still have a PC ticking away in the corner as a download box that I keep thinking about virtualising so I can run up a few different OS's for different tasks... But then I wonder if I really need all those different things or not... so far the answer is not.

    I am using my virtualised OS's less and less, but not something I'm ready to let go of yet.
     
  4. jgustrove

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    I do run a multitude of older versions. Mostly nostalgia :leet:
    I have a Win7 OS and to keep my server skills up, I VM Windows Server 2003 and it's also a great training tool (used it in TAFE most of the time). As Hawk said, once you have a stable save point, it's so easy to go back and undo any catastrophic muck ups that you encounter.
     
  5. Menthu_Rae

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    My Dad and step-Mum both use Windows XP Professional SP3 in Virtualbox on Ubuntu 10.04 x64 hosts.

    They use them for 100% of their work which primarily involves website design, graphic design, tax/accounting and various other office tasks.

    The advantage of this setup (my idea/implementation) is that should anything happen to their hardware - they can be up and running on some other PC in about 5-15 minutes (download, install virtualbox, copy .VDI image and off you go...). The ability to back up the entire "PC" to a single file (.VDI image) is extremely useful.

    As for myself, I have Win XP Pro, Win7 Pro x64 and Ubuntu 10.04 x64 all virtualised at home for testing/various apps that need said OSes. Host is Ubuntu 10.04 x64.

    At work I have Ubuntu 10.04 x64 virtualised for when I need certain utilities (imagemagick, etc) - running on a Windows XP Pro host.
     
  6. SaTaN

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    ^ I've thought about running my regular OS as a vm but never got around to being bothered to actually do it.

    At work the crappy IDE and compiler we need is windows only so I'm forced to use win7 in a vm (ubuntu host)
     
  7. Davo1111

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    wow, i didnt realise so many people would use windows as a VM client. wow.

    I use linux for fun. And if i stuff up, nothing goes bad.
     
  8. Jarwedy

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    I don't soley rely on a VM but I find without the ease of use and ease of portability I'd be buggered. I could not live without it, they have saved alot of time, hassle and frustration. Can always be pulled back to a stable state or run with independent disks to preserve its "state" in time.

    Run a few VM's at work, mainly because a old server was replaced, we keep a VM of it to migrate user settings. Previously this VM was used in a "mission-critical" scenario when the old server went kapoot and needed a stand in temporary replacement for some weeks.

    Have run up quite alot of Linux based VM's for testing and implementing say a proxy to see how well it would work, configs later used in a hardware setup.

    Other times its just image a old PC for historic sake, run up the VM if we need a file that may of been stored in it.
     
  9. jgustrove

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    The past 6 years or so (from when I have studied/worked in Network and System Administration) Virtual PCs are coming up bigger and better. There seems to be a real big demand, I've seen many Mac users VM windows for a multitude of reasons - essentially most just want the games! ha.
    This is a growing industry, and lets better cross-platform connectivity. I might just be a big homer, but I love VMWare a lot. I got many O/S'es running in VMWare and even got a 150GB Raptor solely to run these using my 1TB drive as the HDD they share. Its great training tool, I was trained using VM to work with Server 2003, SQL Server etc and when I screwed up I simply re-loaded the safe image and resumed.
     
  10. tumutbound

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    I run Linux (Centos 5.5) on both my servers and any XP software I need to run, runs in a vitrual session under VMware Workstation.
    I also run various flavours of Linux for testing, software porting etc.
     
  11. kripz

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    I'm thinking of running Win7 as my main OS (purely for games) and to virtualize linux (which will be used 99% of the time). IMO this beats a dual boot system as i can quickly switch one to another.

    What do you think?
     
  12. stmok

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    Host: Linux with VirtualBox.
    Guests: Windows (Professional versions of XP and 7) + various pre-built firewall and security testing distros + Debian Linux to learn C/C++ in an isolated environment.

    For the Windows VMs; malware testing and developing approaches/methods to prevent compromise. (Out-of-the-box config of Windows is a joke. When configured right and NOT loaded with lots of anti-malware crap; Windows stands a much better chance. I make a few notes and re-install the VM from scratch to verify the notes.)
     
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  13. Renza

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    Hypervisor: Hyper-V
    Client: Centos 5 running elastix for voip!

    set this up recently to cut down on the number of devices i have. not sure if it really saves power, but i like to think it does!
     
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    Yeah power saving is a huge benefit if you're running lots of VMs.

    I love the fact that at work I can deploy a new server from a template in minutes rather than have to go out and buy thousands of $ worth of equipment!
     
  15. foxmulder881

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    That my friend is clearly where virtualization technology is of huge benefit. The ability to run multiple servers on the same hardware is pure awesomeness!
     
  16. Gecko

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    Sadly, no - it has been done before though. The general consensus often ends up being, just get a Mac Mini and remote into it.
     
  17. foxmulder881

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    Ignoring the legalities of it, does OS X actually run in VB?
     
  18. elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

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    Wife runs Ubuntu 10.04LTS on her laptop, with WinXP in Virtualbox for MYOB (she's a contract book keeper).

    I run Ubuntu 10.10 on my laptop, with WinXP and Win7 VMs inside KVM for the odd Windows-only work-related requirement, which is very rare.

    I run a few mid sized virtualisation clusters at work - HP Integrity Virtual Machine (HP-UX), RedHat Enterprise Virtualisation (KVM), and VMWare VSphere 4. They are split roughly 50/50 across Linux/UNIX and Windows for guests. Including all physical virtualisation hosts, I think we're sitting around 50 dedicated physical systems to cover around 700+ VMs (the numbers keep rising, so it's hard to give a set value).

    I'd say our work is now 80% virtualised. Some things stay off virtualisation, such as large databases (or anything needing high I/O) and systems with high security requirements (financial sector). I don't see us going 100% virtualised any time soon due to those requirements, but I think we'll definitely creep up to 90% or so in the next year.
     
  19. foxmulder881

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    That much already hey? Shit, that's pretty impressive. I know virtualization at the server level is where it's all at, but shit, I didn't know the stats would be that high in 2010!
     
  20. Gecko

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    A lot of places are going the way of the VM now, really simplifies management. In the past, if we had a physical box die (we have a large amount of software that can't be clustered/made redundant etc), it would have been a mess of warranty replacement parts, hours of downtime etc. Now all I do is fire up the VM on another box and we're running again :) Also great for setting up test environments, clone the VM, put it on a test host, and do whatever is needed.

    Yep :)
     

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