Dolphins are 'non-human persons'

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  1. Fortigurn

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    Source. No recognition for the great apes? :(
     
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    "Think about the future"? How would you know?
     
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    MR CHILLED D'oh!

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    I thought this was pretty much common knowledge.
     
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    Still wondering how the researcher could find out they are thinking about the future.
     
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    I suppose they might have tested their planning and foresight, but I'm not sure how accurately they could judge how much dolphins think about the future. :confused:

    Dolphins have never received legal recognition as 'non-human persons'.
     
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    So what is the upshot/implication of this then? Simply that we no longer kill them?
     
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    The legal consequences would be far more wide ranging, I would expect:

     
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    Such as? Will they be shopping with us or buying property any time soon? I'm really just wondering what the point of it would be exactly.
     
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    obviously they picked out their lotto numbers doh:eek:
     
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    Scientists have discovered dolphins have recently begun lowering their carbon output and diversifying their investment portfolios.
     
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    I would suggest starting with the UDHR.

    If they want to, certainly.

    Think of the difference between how you would be treated if you were recognized under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and how you would be treated if you weren't.
     
  12. Eggbert69

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    I fucking hate these stupid activists similar to PETA etc.
    They are fucking ANIMALS. Why do they need rights?
    There are HUMANS out in Africa getting their asses handed to them by warlords who have no respect for actual HUMANS yet they don't seem to mind and instead go off on rights for animals.
    There are more important things that need to be changed before giving legal rights to fucking dolphins...
     
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    Well they will need some modifications first.

    Think about telling me what difference it is going to make. They are animals, not humans.
     
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    The whole idea is ridiculous, worm's DNA is not that far from our own, should we give them rights as well?
    Dolphins, though mildly intelligent compared to other animals are still just animals.
    These researchers have too much time and too much funding on their hands.
     
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    They can always evolve. :)

    The suggested recognition would require that we treat them as we treat each other. This would have a significant effect on our presence in their natural habitat, our capture of them, and our use of them in experimentation. We would require their consent for all of these things.
     
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    So if you murder one then you go to jail. I think this is getting a little silly.
     
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    In 2 million year's time they can buy their first car (or submarine)

    God no, The poor bloody dolphins are far better off as they now.


    Great, we'll then need a visa just to go to the beach not to mention long lines at customs and having to take my bathers off to get scanned.
     
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    And how do you propose we go about garnering the unambiguous consent from a wild animal? And if that agreement is contravened, how is that animal supposed to recognize and understand the nuances of contract law and act upon it?
    Do you expect a wild sea animal to sign a contract then take the other party to a court of law if the contract is breached?
    And how would you sue a dolphin that breaks it's side of the contract? For starters, how can you prove it understands the contract, and how do you ensure it understands the meaning of the punishment, or the fact that it's being punished for an infraction at all?
     
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    And don't bully or assault them, you could end up in jail!

    But I can recommend some good lawyers for the dolphins.
     
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    And other than your rant dispersed with capitalisations... what pray tell are you doing about it?
     

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