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fedora 20 no root user

Discussion in 'Other Operating Systems' started by Luke212, Dec 11, 2014.

  1. Luke212

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    Hi, every few years i give linux ago, and it always seems i hit a roadblock.

    this time with Fedora 20. i just wanted to set up a laptop for basic web browsing with printing.

    First problem, you cant install Chrome from a browser. You have to install from catalog in the terminal WITH A FUCK TON OF commands. ok im a programmer, i can handle it. moving on.

    Second problem, go to Printers -> Add printer.... it asks me for a root user/pass. I don't have a root user account. I installed this Fedora KDE on the HDD through the live boot. and all it wanted was a username and password to set up an initial user account. it said nothing about root passwords. I tried entering my user/pass that i set up at install (has admin rights) and that doesnt work.

    So now i am stuck with no root user or group (i checked by looking un Users & Groups) and thus cant add a printer.

    Well played Linux you got me again.

    edit: ok so im just going to download some HP Drivers and install, and hopefully this works.
     
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  2. IKT

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    Why aren't you using Ubuntu again?
     
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    Luke212

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    no idea, is it good? :p

    if i cant figure this out i will try ubantu.

    problem 3: tried to download and run the hp linux driver, and it says permission denied. eventually using the Terminal, i found the file and did a CHMOD 777 on it to get it to run ffs. haha how is a normal person even supposed to know what chmod does? there were no options to Run Anyway. it just blocks the file completely 'because its an executable' hah!

    the dream continues!
     
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  4. IKT

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    Fedora is for linux users, Ubuntu is for regular people.

    If you would prefer to use KDE then download Kubuntu.
     
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    Luke212

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    Alls well that ends well. The driver worked from command line when I sudo'd its first.

    Fingers crossed we will see how the family goes using it over the coming days
     
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  6. starkers92

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    Fedora (IIRC) is politically opposed to Chrome for various reasons. However to install FF (or on another distro; Chrome) it should have been as simple as 'sudo apt-get/yum/yast/etc install chrome'
     
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  7. SaTaN

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    WHAT?

    just installed F21 yesterday, installing chrome was copied 5 lines of text to /etc/yum.repos.d/google-chrome.repo and doing yum install google-chrome-stable.... hardly A FUCK TON OF COMMANDS!!

    I'm stuck getting nice fonts going, but otherwise cant complain (too much)
     
  8. IKT

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    As opposed to 'clicked on .deb and it installed', for most people it's pathetic that an OS in the 21st century can't install an App without editing text files, but I'm not the target fedora user.
     
  9. SaTaN

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    depends what you already had installed. even on ubutu I had to manually run dpkg <the deb>.deb && apt-get install -f to get its dependencies.
     
  10. elvis

    elvis Old school old fool

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    Why? Just install them from your package manager like you are supposed to.

    Linux isn't Windows. Stop trying to use it like Windows, and you won't have problems.
     
  11. 2_stroke

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    lol only a linux hobby type myself but op the problems you have had make me lol, I always thought fedora was redhats testing ground for enterprise, its being over 8 years since i touched the distro, though thats the image i drew when fedora first sprung to life and took redhats place. Think ya might need a copy of mandrake/mandriva :p ever since ub hit the streets i thought it stole every common user. Lol christ when i started i think it was redhat 5 and i couldn't get xserver working so everything was bash, though it was easy for us because we had msdos/***dos, sorry bud but i just lmao when nix users like your self who make me look like a retard when it comes to programing cant use a shell to do there basic biz in. Might wanna grab some books as you would pick it up in know time. Well to be far my first distro didn't have an xserver as i had to download it on a 9600bps modem, i had to save up my pocket money to buy a linux mag with slack and red on it for my first real major distro, think i piad like $19 back then which was 2 weeks pay selling papers on the street. oh the good old days, getting your porn off irc chens and dialing up a freind for a game of doom :) and bbs's :D
     
  12. Unframed

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    99% of newbie Linux problems solved in this quote.
     
  13. Smokin Whale

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    Ditch Fedora and try Ubuntu 14.04 Gnome Edition. Hell, if you want I have a custom noob-proof version of Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 that I made for older PCs in a Clonezilla image format. PM me and I'll give you a copy of that.
     
  14. elvis

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    Amen. People take 25+ years of Windows usage for granted, and then love to complain anything else is "non-intuitive".

    Everything after breathing, eating, sleeping and shitting needs to be learned. Throw out your preconceptions, clear your mental pallet, and learn from scratch.
     
  15. Smokin Whale

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    You do have to admit that someone who has never used a computer in their life is probably going to get along better with something like Windows 7 or Ubuntu 14.04 than Fedora - mainly because distros like Fedora are aimed at the Linux enthusiast rather than the average guy who just wants to do some basic tasks. Mind you, I haven't tried Fedora for many many years so I have no idea what it's like these days.
     
  16. elvis

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    If someone has never used a computer in their life, I'd give them a Mac.

    The Windows interface and overall graphical design is terrible. Again, people confuse familiarity with intuition. Windows lacks consistency across almost every element, and is massively confusing to new users (speaking first hand, having trained many).

    MacOSX isn't perfect. It's design flaws are well documented (even where Apple break their own HID rules). But even with that in mind, it stands head and shoulders above any other desktop OS on the market for truly intuitive design and consistency. Beyond that, the entire Mac ecosystem (low delta across their hardware, highly controlled environment) helps that along nicely too.

    If a user isn't handcuffed to a Microsoft way of living, and can't be convinced that the higher outlay for Mac hardware is worth it with respect to comparative longevity, then I do agree Ubuntu is the way to go for the newbie. Ubuntu's consistent focus on the Desktop is sometimes it's own downfall (speaking as a filthy sysadmin who hates network-manager and systemd), but certainly they've stuck to their guns to make incremental changes to their interface across each iteration of Ubuntu, moving to a much more consistent and simple design, even for the complete novice.

    Couple that with the explosion of Ubuntu users, and there's enough "average folk" using Ubuntu that they're getting the right kind of feedback for that market.

    Anyways. All off topic ranting. Or not. I dunno. Fedora sucks, and don't download Linux drivers like you do in Windows (use your package manager, FFS).
     
  17. NSanity

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    tbh - if HP put drivers up on their site for him to get, with no clear instructions that these typically aren't required - how is it his fault?

    I mean I love a Luke212 bashing as much as the next guy - but i think its less deserved here?
     
  18. elvis

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    Because the very well written Fedora community documentation tells you to use YUM (or whatever stupid GUI frontend du jour is recommended) to add HP drivers.

    By visiting the website *first*, it's demonstrated that documentation was not read, and instead people are using their windows-learned habits on a non-Windows system.

    Once again, remove preconceptions, and learn. Don't start hammering square pegs in round holes and go blaming either peg or hole.
     
  19. IKT

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    Honestly almost everything I've installed and use is not in the repos:

    Spotify - https://www.spotify.com/us/download/previews/
    Chrome - https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/
    Opera 26 - http://www.opera.com/
    Sublime Text - http://www.sublimetext.com/3
    My own Internode usage meter - https://ikt.id.au/lium/
    Virtualbox - https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

    And all my games are installed through Steam.

    About the only thing not installed from a website is VLC and Filezilla.

    I don't understand how package management doesn't appear to have moved on since the late 90's :(

    One of the things that may potentially come from the Ubuntu phone UI merging with the main desktop is the 'first use tour' that is sorely missing from many distro's, a simple highlight on the app store to say 'Here is where you install apps!' and then a highlight on 'Here is where you click to get help!' would make the lives of millions of people better.
     
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  20. Camm

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    Every year is 'Year of the Linux Desktop'. The tl;dr is however that its bullshit.

    Now, I'm comfortable using a terminal and getting around in general, but I'm not going to call linux anything more than a passing interest as a desktop until we reach true out of the box usability.

    .... And that includes fucking off such shit as novaeu.

    As for the OP, the closest I've found for out of the box usability have been openSUSE, and to a lesser extent the *buntu flavours (+ mint), and with a little tweaking knowledge, Antergos. I'd personally avoid Fedora with a 10ft pole. :p
     
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